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Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?
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10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 07:32 pm

I think this topic is a little bit skewed... it should read "Will non-Christians go to heaven too"!!! {#lang_emotions_get_you}  It is an interesting topic, since Turkey is predominantly Muslim... I wonder if they will also go to heaven...

11.       mltm
3690 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 08:03 pm

I would really love to believe in heaven (because I know that if there were I´d definitely go there {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}  ) however I cannot manage to believe.

 

Though feeling even the cyber presence of catwoman is enough to bring me the heavenly feelings in my miserable life. {#lang_emotions_angel} I don´t think if there were heaven it would feel better than this.

12.       catwoman
8933 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 08:48 pm

 

Quoting mltm

Though feeling even the cyber presence of catwoman is enough to bring me the heavenly feelings in my miserable life. {#lang_emotions_angel} I don´t think if there were heaven it would feel better than this.

 

Maybe you cannot believe because you are an angel yourself.. people need to believe in you. {#lang_emotions_angel}

13.       vineyards
1954 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 02:19 am

I don´t think this is the right place to ask such questions. If you are asking just for the hell of it not minding what kind of a reaction it may cause then you should try googling it just for the sake of not causing any. If you are geniunely asking this question (here) still you are making a big mistake. If the answer is really important to you, you know you should take it more seriously and read the book to start with. If your intention is evil and if you are asking about heaven with devil sitting on your shoulder then you are welcome to asking it here. I am always in favour of wasting my time deliberately...

14.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 04:34 am

 

Quoting WarTrain

 

You are among good company..... churches are filled with old people who suddenly realise death is near and hedge their bets in the same way as you!

 

 "filled" ?

 

Quote: Wartrain

churches are filled with old people who suddenly realise death is near and hedge their bets

 

 

Actually, in England, I would say there are very many more younger families attending church suddenly when the children are around 8 years old, in order to fulfill the criteria for gaining access to church high schools and a supposed better education . 

 

Of course my claim is probably as inaccurate and cynical as yours .

15.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 06:09 am

 

Quoting WarTrain

 Of course I am aware what faith is!!! I was christened and attended church as a child and blindly believed in the same way as you.  Then I got older and became interested in all religions and found that the more I discovered, the less I believed.

 

Going to church on Sundays does not make you a Christian!  Where in the bible does Jesus ask you to go to church on a Sunday? 

 

It sounds like a good bet to you?   You may as well worship the spaghetti monster  

 

A life without spirituality is no different from yours - I can still appreciate all the wonder of life and the miracles of this world - I just dont believe they have been created by your mythical "god".  I see evolution, not a big one-creation.  Evolution is a miracle of life in itself - there is no need to attribute a "god" to it

 

 Good to see you were christened, you may still have hope then.{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}  I don´t believe just because you go to church you are a good Christian.  Many people are hyprocrites who go to church, but then again no one is perfect.  It doesn´t specifically state in the bible you must go to a building called "church", however in Hebrews it emphasis the continual need to come together as a community or "assembly.  You have to remember the Bible is basically written as parables and metaphors.  You can´t take everything what the bible says literally without trying to interpretate what the meaning is.  Somewhere lies some sort of truth, which has carried on for thousands of years. 

 

You know really we could debate back and forth about this, however no one is certain until that day comes.. You could be right and there is the chance you could be wrong. Call me crazy but I´d like to think there is another place better than this world and it´s called heaven. 

16.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 07:35 am

 

Quoting vineyards

I don´t think this is the right place to ask such questions. If you are asking just for the hell of it not minding what kind of a reaction it may cause then you should try googling it just for the sake of not causing any. If you are geniunely asking this question (here) still you are making a big mistake. If the answer is really important to you, you know you should take it more seriously and read the book to start with. If your intention is evil and if you are asking about heaven with devil sitting on your shoulder then you are welcome to asking it here. I am always in favour of wasting my time deliberately...

 

I disagree with you here Vineyards. I think this is an interesting question that can and should spark an interesting debate in the mutlicultural community that we have here. This is not an offensive question, yet, if somebody finds it offensive then still we should not censor ourselves for such a reason and appease rather immature attitudes.

17.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 07:39 am

 

Quoting WarTrain

Heheheh that is not faith!!!! That is called "hedging your bets" lol lol lol

How can you call yourself a christian, if you don´t actually believe it, but do it do insure the possibility of after-life!

 

You are among good company..... churches are filled with old people who suddenly realise death is near and hedge their bets in the same way as you!

 

Aenigma, I think that you have NO RIGHT to judge other people´s beliefs or spirituality (you are not a better or smarter person just because you´re an atheist). It´s none of your business what kind of christian/muslim/pastafarian she/he is -- it´s their own personal ideas that you should rather feel grateful that they agree to discuss in public. I find it quite annoying when some people judge others for their beliefs!!! I think people have full rights to believe in any religion they like -- as long as they respect each other and don´t push their beliefs onto others.

18.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 10:32 am

 

Quoting catwoman

(you are not a better or smarter person just because you´re an atheist).

 

But they are more like missionaries than any Muslim or Christian on TC.  I think Aenigma has delusions of grandeur, now known as TheAenigma rather than AnAenigma .. . hmmmm . . . "Thou shalt worship no other Aenigma but Me."  Seems you can take the girl out of religion but you can´t take religion out of the girl.   

 

I finally discovered her true name though  . . . Miss Iona Ry 

 

 

19.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 10:46 am

It seems whitepath confused , actually he is looking at the single verses not seeing the big picture of Quran. It is clear from the Quran(98:1-3, 5.69, 7:157, 2:135-137) that the belief in one Creator and the Last day should be in accordance and conformity with Quran. Such verses emphasize that giving a name of one´s religion or creed carries no importance. Besides the word muslim means "the one who submitted to God". And i think his definition of sabians seems wrong to me also .

20.       azade
1606 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 11:07 am

On the note of spirituality - who has a chance and who has not I´ve studied texts that clearly show that if you´re Catholic and you follow all the rituals and is overall a good person, you have a pretty good chance for an afterlife (in history you could just buy your way out of course). If you are Lutheran the important thing is that you simply believe (a part of believing is also to be nice towards other people). I don´t know about other religions since I have not studied them.

 

Islam says that "only Allah knows" so no answer is definite I guess, but the islamic texts indicate that non-Muslims will not go to heaven.

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