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Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?
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30.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:45 am

 

Quoting azade

But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?

 

 I also question this..I happen to think if you don´t believe in God you will be judged..

31.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:57 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 I also question this..I happen to think if you don´t believe in God you will be judged..

 

 Then this super good intentioned all knowing merciful god happens to be ´judging´ a lot of GOOD people into hell. Sorry but, if I were to believe in a god, I would believe in a god of goodness, I would refuse to believe in a God who judges solely upon the fact whether you believe in something that he made so hard for ´us´ to believe by leaving so little signs, or not.

 

 

Then I suggest this god, who apparantly has no intention whatsoever to make a division between GOOD and BAD, makes the fires of hell hotter for the BAD-Christians than he makes it for the GOOD-infidels. Because after all, they knew the truth and decided to act otherwise.

32.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:59 am

 

Quoting azade

But - why be religious in the first place if you think anyone´s let in?

 

 Maybe just because you really BELÝEVE in the existence of a God. Or maybe because you believe heaven and hell arent divisions between christians and infidels, but between good and evil minded people, and because you happen to believe that living according to the bible will amke you a good person.

 

I dont really know any reason why one could be religious, but if there are people who believe in God just because of fear for hell.. then I really dont believe that is the kind of Christian god would like to let into his clouds and angels.

33.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:13 am

Id like Teaschip though, you would explain what happens to me?

 

Ive been raised in a family where both mom and dad abandoned the faith they grew up with (respectively Anglican and Catholic) at the time they started ´thinking´. So all I ever saw of religion was on mondaymorning at primary school where we said prayers because it was compulsory. And at my neighbours who were firm Protestants, and where I used to avoid dinner at sunday because they were speaking for an hour out of some book of which I did not understand a word. That has been my last encounter with religion really.

 

I am nearly 21 now, have read the Bible and half way through Kuran, but I did not see the light. I have questioned what a possible god could be like according to these books, and decided it to be too difficult to believe in such a power, because it doesnt fit my ideas of how the world is supposed to work and because I think both books contain too much violence towards dissident thoughts, that I do not wish to be part of it. So I made a choice for myself not to be religious.

 

However, I support a few charity cases, I avoid to lie and if I do its the occassional white lie, I am faithful to those I love in both friendship and my relationship, I respect my parents, I do not kill or steel, I never bullied someone at school, I do not lay eyes on anothers property nor am ý jealous or greedy, I stand up for elderly or pregnant persons in the bus, I am there for friends in need and I have no racist affiliations. Practically, I live by the book. I have my flaws yes (to name just 2 religious-related: I dont think homosexuality is something disrespectful and I dont believe in no sex before marriage), but overall, I think I am a good human being. Actually, one that would deserve to have a place in heaven. Is it my fault then, that I cannot see the signs?

 

 

 

 

 

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I dont know about the bible, ý just add this because I never forgot these words after I read them for the first time:

 

According to Quran it is not my fault, apparantly Allah planned it all and Im doomed from the day I was born:

 

Surah 2 - Al-Baqarah   The heifer

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

 

As for people who say they believe but dont really:

Same surah, section 2,

10: In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease

 

(I took this from Abdullah Yusuf Ali, an english quran translation written for the Muslims who dont have arabic as their native language. )

34.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:42 am

DK...Faith is like an emotion.  I can´t explain why I believe in God anymore than I can explain why I love my husband - but I know I do.  I definately have questioned my faith at times.  Maybe you will one day feel it and maybe you won´t....but if you don´t, I personally don´t feel like that makes you a bad person.  I would hope that God judges us by our actions even in the absense of faith. 

 

OK, Teas....stop thinking I will burn in hell you bed Amerikan!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} (please don´t tell on me either!)

35.       amnariel
138 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 12:27 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

....I dont believe in no sex before marriage),...

 

My very good friend, Catholic theology diplomant, told me that 6th commandment is not referring to the sex before marriage, but cheating on your partner/spouse, meaning cheating in general.

 

 

Deli_kizin, you´re living right by most religions and their rules

36.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:42 pm

 

Quoting amnariel

My very good friend, Catholic theology diplomant, told me that 6th commandment is not referring to the sex before marriage, but cheating on your partner/spouse, meaning cheating in general.

 

 Then why do devout catholics wait till marriage? They are misinformed?

37.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 01:58 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 Then why do devout catholics wait till marriage? They are misinformed?

 

Yeap Or Ishould rather say they fall for the Church´s preaching. The Bible and Church interpretation are two different things. Each Christian denomination claims they have the monopoly for the correct interpretation of God´s words. Original 10 commandments were changed with Catholics and Jesus´s being God accepted by means of voting during The Council of Nicea. Religions have little to do with God. They are institutions, be it Christianity, Islam or The Spaghetti Thing. You usually pick up the one you were brought up in and continue "family tradition"

38.       amnariel
138 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:31 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Yeap Or Ishould rather say they fall for the Church´s preaching. The Bible and Church interpretation are two different things. Each Christian denomination claims they have the monopoly for the correct interpretation of God´s words. Original 10 commandments were changed with Catholics and Jesus´s being God accepted by means of voting during The Council of Nicea. Religions have little to do with God. They are institutions, be it Christianity, Islam or The Spaghetti Thing. You usually pick up the one you were brought up in and continue "family tradition"

 

Very right Daydreamer

 

Someone on a page before this wrote - I know faith, I was baptised and went to church...

So wrong... That is not knowing Faith, only a certain religion, denomination. Faith has ABSOLUTELY nothing to with the way you pray to God and call denomination you belong to.

 

39.       amnariel
138 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:33 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 devout catholics

 

 there is so few of them left....

40.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:37 pm

And out of cruiosity, can a person adopt catholism without being baptized and having any relationship with the church?

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