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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:12 pm |
This easy-reading poem is emotional, but jsut from the fact that you imagine that you lose someone. Anyone can write such things. It´s not poetic at all. It just makes you cry, but in fact it´s empty and the things that have been already said a thousand of times. I started to hate all the things who just make you cry, a kind of emotion exploitation.
Agreed, the art of kitsch has dominated this poetry forum. Everybody falls for obvious, non-sophisticated "I´m in pain because you left me" kinds of things or the old tune of "I love you" expressed in the same way it has been done million of times before...
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:13 pm |
This easy-reading poem is emotional, but jsut from the fact that you imagine that you lose someone. Anyone can write such things. It´s not poetic at all. It just makes you cry, but in fact it´s empty and the things that have been already said a thousand of times. I started to hate all the things who just make you cry, a kind of emotion exploitation.
I get your point, especially considering all those kinds of posts we have seen before, but since when is writing literary (poetry) a requirement for a piece of writing to make a person feel something? I fidn that a rather elitair way of thinking.
And generally it´s the things that have been said a 1000 times that are a common feeling that everybody knows but then again, I myself prefer when things are written or said differently, even though they mean the same. And then just for the ´magic´ that I find in special usage of language as a medium.
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:18 pm |
DK, everybody may commit poems, but they´re not necessarily considered Poetry (with capital P)
Then there´s a matter of personal taste, I find some people considered great poets graphomaniacs Yet, I´m not an expert in poetry - I had just a course in it and hated it (the course, not poetry)
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:22 pm |
Now one of my favourite poetry came to my mind. It is from a Dutch poet, and I´m afraid I cant translate it with the same ´touch´ and stilistic forms as Ida Gerhardt has written it, but I still thought it was worth mentioning.
De Gestorvene
Zeven maal om de aarde te gaan, als het zou moeten op handen en voeten; zeven maal, om die éne te groeten die daar lachend te wachten zou staan. Zeven maal om de aarde te gaan.
Zeven maal over de zeeën te gaan, schraal in de kleren, wat zou het mij deren, kon ik uit de dood ik die éne doen keren. Zeven maal over de zeeën te gaan- zeven maal, om met zijn tweeën te staan.
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The Departed
To go seven times around the earth, if necessary on hands and feet; seven times, to greet that one who would be standing await with a smile. To go seven times around the earth.
To go seven times over the seas, threadbare clothes, what harm would that do me, (if) could I bring back that one from the dead. To go seven times over the seas, seven times, to stand as two together.
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:25 pm |
DK, everybody may commit poems, but they´re not necessarily considered Poetry (with capital P)
Then there´s a matter of personal taste, I find some people considered great poets graphomaniacs Yet, I´m not an expert in poetry - I had just a course in it and hated it (the course, not poetry)
I wasn´t trying to say that was poetry. I think I specifically mentioned ´piece of writing´. Actually I don´t enjoy those kind of discussions about the concept of what is to be considered as real literature or literary prose, poetry etc, I tend to just divide between ´rhymes´ and ´poetry´
Yes. Couldn´t agree with that more, but I tend to like graphomaniacs as well on a different kind of level. I was merely saying that something doesnt need to be sophisticated or literary of highstyle to produce emotions in the human ´heart´, I tried to avoid a discussion about the essence of Poetry really (sorry had to write that with a capital )
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:37 pm |
This easy-reading poem is emotional, but jsut from the fact that you imagine that you lose someone. Anyone can write such things. It´s not poetic at all. It just makes you cry, but in fact it´s empty and the things that have been already said a thousand of times. I started to hate all the things who just make you cry, a kind of emotion exploitation.
I complete agree with you Melty! This is the kind of stuff you find in greetings cards - it is VERSE not poetry.
This, combined with those sick-making emails that circulate around telling you how special you are or "send this on to another strong beautiful woman" blah blah.... YUCK!
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:42 pm |
Discussion of the essence of (P)oetry brings back a poem by Andrzej Bursa (roughly translated by me in a hurry)
Discourse with a Poet
How to describe smell with poetry...
Definitely not by simple naming
but the whole poem must smell
and rhyme
and rythm
must have the temperature of a meadlike clearing
and each metrical shift
something of the scent of a rose
thrown over a fire
we talked in great symbiosis
until I said:
"please take away this bucket
as it smells of piss here"
it might have been tactless
but I couldn´t stand it anymore
Dyskurs z poetą
Jak oddać zapach w poezji... na pewno nie przez proste nazwanie ale cały wiersz musi pachnieć i rym i rytm muszą mieć temperatury miodowej polany a każdy przeskok rytmiczny coś z powiewu róży przerzuconej nad ogniem rozmawialiśmy w jak najlepszej symbiozie aż do chwili gdy powiedziałem: "wynieś proszę to wiadro bo potwornie tu śmierdzi szczyną" możliwe że to było nietaktowne ale już nie mogłem wytrzymać.
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:48 pm |
Whaha lovely Poem
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 02:49 pm |
This, combined with those sick-making emails that circulate around telling you how special you are or "send this on to another strong beautiful woman" blah blah.... YUCK!
Not to mention what will happen to your unique being if you decide NOT to send to at least another 10 (there are graduations ofcourse, from 10 onwards) strong and beautiful woman
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13 Oct 2008 Mon 03:43 pm |
I complete agree with you Melty! This is the kind of stuff you find in greetings cards - it is VERSE not poetry.
..... those sick-making emails that circulate around telling you how special you are or "send this on to another strong beautiful woman" blah blah.... YUCK!
+1
( I was going to say it reminded me of those kind of emails but I see you beat me to it!)
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14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:11 am |
The Departed
To go seven times around the earth, if necessary on hands and feet; seven times, to greet that one who would be standing await with a smile. To go seven times around the earth.
To go seven times over the seas, threadbare clothes, what harm would that do me, (if) could I bring back that one from the dead. To go seven times over the seas, seven times, to stand as two together.
Translation to turkish as an exercise:
Caný Çýkan
Dünyaný yedi kez yürümek,
Zorundaysa sürünerek;
Yedi kez, onu görmek için,
O gülerek bekleyecek.
Dünyayý yedi kez yürümek.
Denizleri yedi kez aþmak,
Paçavra giymelisem boþ ver,
One geri getirebilirsem.
Denizleri yedi kez aþmak,
Yedi kez, baraber olmak için.
The feeling behind the poem dissapears in my translation though Can anybody give me some pointers?
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