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Very good article about the current position about Terrorism in Turkey
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1.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 11:10 am

I am sorry it is in turkish... didnt have much time to translate...

from Yýlmaz Özdil

 

 

Kararlýlýk mesajý çýktý ya daha ne istiyorsunuz?

Eðip bükmeden soralým...

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Son 5-6 yýlda...

PKK’lý mý týktýk içeri?

Subay-astsubay mý?

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Eli silahlý teröristlere habire af çýkarýrken; Ýstiklal Madalyasý sahibi Jandarma Genel Komutaný’ný hapse atýp,  

beyin kanamasý geçirene kadar içerde tutmadýk mý?

PKK’ya yataklýk yaptýðý için hapiste yatan kadýný, çýkarýp, Meclis’e sokarken, Cumhurbaþkaný’nýn masasýna 

davet ederken; 1’inci Ordu Komutaný’ný ´terör örgütü kurmak´tan içeri týkmadýk mý?

Þehide ´kelle´ dediði için tazminat ödemeye mahkûm olan, ´Askerlik yan gelip yatma yeri deðildir ca -

ným kardeþim´ diyen Baþbakan’a, ´Bravo, aynen devam´ deyip, yüzde 47 oy vermedik mi?

PKK, hastalanmamasý için serçe parmaðýnýn tansiyonu bile ölçülen Abdullah Öcalan’ýn saçý kesildi diye, kal -

kýþma provasý yapýp, Diyarbakýr’ý yakýp yýktýðýnda, polisin-askerin elini tutup, ´Cana geleceðine mala gel -

sin´ diyen Diyarbakýr Valisi’ne ´aferin´ deyip, Baþbakanlýk Müsteþarý yapmadýk mý?

Kafamýzda Amerikan çuvalýyla gezerken, koordinatör saçmalýðý icat edip, ´Amerika bizi çok seviyor, istih -

barat verecek´ demedik mi?

´Amerika istedi diye harekátý kýsa kestik, içerde parça býraktýk, o kamplarý tutmamýz gerekirdi´  

dediði için, neredeyse ´vatan haini´ ilan edilen Deniz Baykal, o kamplardan gelen teröristler önceki gün  

Aktütün’ü bastýðýnda haklý çýkmadý mý?

Irak’taki hacivat ´Kedi bile vermem´ derken; yaralý PKK’lýlarýn tedavi edildiði Kuzey Irak’taki hastaneyi bile 

kendi ellerimizle yapmadýk mý?

Vatandaþa zam üstüne zam geçirirken, PKK’yý koynunda besleyen Barzani’ye, Talabani’ye yarý fiyatýna elek -

trik vermiyor muyuz?

Ýstanbul’da, Ankara’da, Ýzmir’de kadýnlarý çocuklarý havaya uçurduklarýnda; besleme medyadaki arkadaþlar 

utanmadan, ´Ne malum PKK’nýn yaptýðý´ demedi mi?

Þehit çocuklarý çýplak ayakla gezerken, tabut baþýndaki karný burnunda tazeler Allah’ýyla baþ baþa kalmýþken;  

fitreleri zekátlarý Mehmetçik Vakfý yerine, Almanya’da din-iman hortumcusu olduðu alenen tescillenen Deniz 

Feneri’ne vermiyor muyuz?

Gariban ailelerin çocuklarý þakýr þakýr þehit düþerken, subay-astsubay çocuklarý oradan oraya tayin edilip,  

lise mezunu olana kadar 28 tane þehir deðiþtiriyor; yaþadýklarý travma nedeniyle üniversite kazanamýyor ve 

onlara hiçbir ayrýcalýk tanýnmýyorken; ´Babamýn parasý var, benim de bokumda boncuk var, onun için 

yurtdýþýnda okuyorum´ diyenler askerlikten yýrtmýyor mu?

Bir zamanlar bu memlekette askerlik yapmayana kýz bile verilmezken, ´Popomda sivilce çýktý, bak bu da  

raporu´ diyenler, askerlikten sýyýrmýyor mu?

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Genelkurmay, 68 kere basýlan 46 þehit verdiðimiz gecekondudan bozma dandik karakolu, parasýzlýk nedeniyle 

100 metre ileriye taþýyamadýðýmýzý açýklarken; Genelkurmay eski Baþkaný’na, korgeneral refakatinde askeri 

uçakla taþýyarak, 1 trilyon liralýk zýrhlý Audi almadýk mý?

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Neymiþ efendim, terör zirvesi toplanmýþ, kararlýlýk mesajý çýkmýþ...

Yerim ben sizin o kararlýlýk diyen dillerinizi, yerim. 

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 11:51 am

I must say that I find this guy quite "shallow and  out of depth". 

3.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:16 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I must say that I find this guy quite "shallow and  out of depth". 

 

But surprisingly this only happens when there comes an article "against" your point of view.

 

I bet you would applause if he has said "god damn turkish nationalism!".

 

 

Also i want to add here, nationalism is not that bad, it also consists the to be in good touch with people around you, thats what i learnt at "ATA102" course... but what you are talking is "fanatism" not "nationalism"

 

 

4.       azade
1606 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:23 pm

Nationalism is what is preventing this ongoing crisis from being solved. It doesn´t belong in this century.

5.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:33 pm

Europeans often tend to misinterpret turkish nationalism and they do not make a distinguish between the ultra-nationalists and Ataturk nationalists because their history and culture are different, you may believe that nationalism is a bad thing, but YOU do not determine what is today´s century´s and what is not. A person can be both a nationalist and humanist.

6.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:43 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I must say that I find this guy quite "shallow and out of depth".

 

He´s only asking questions demanding a "yes" to his questions. To which ones would you say a "no"?

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 02:50 pm

 

Quoting mltm

Europeans often tend to misinterpret turkish nationalism and they do not make a distinguish between the ultra-nationalists and Ataturk nationalists because their history and culture are different, you may believe that nationalism is a bad thing, but YOU do not determine what is today´s century´s and what is not. A person can be both a nationalist and humanist.

 

Nationalism is a bad thing in this century.. There is no x nationalism or y nationalism..

nationalism is nationalism..

Almost all nationalisms define themselves more with enemies than friends.

You should  be under NO  illusion of ´others nationalism are bad but mine are sweet and good´.

It will be hard to defend our nationalism while opposing the kurdish nationalism for example.

If it comes to saying that ´but we inherited it from Ataturk´, it is a different matter:

It is almost pick and mix..

When it comes to Ataturk´s devletcilik-state control-, inklapcilik (revolutionism) (or one of the main ideas of Ataturk was westernisation), nobody asks why we are not following those rules anymore.

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 03:06 pm

 

Quoting si++

He´s only asking questions demanding a "yes" to his questions. To which ones would say a "no"?

 

I find him shollow , not because I disagree with him (I respect many writers with whom I disagree), because he is shallow and the way he is writing is reminding me the chats you get in kahvehanes..(ie following only a few papers, watching the news only from the telly, not bothering to think if there might be another angle, accepting everything what genarals say etc etc)

Eli silahlý teröristlere habire af çýkarýrken; Ýstiklal Madalyasý sahibi Jandarma Genel Komutaný’ný hapse atýp,  beyin kanamasý geçirene kadar içerde tutmadýk mý?


Oha.. was there an amnesty and did we not hear it?

 

PKK’ya yataklýk yaptýðý için hapiste yatan kadýný, çýkarýp, Meclis’e sokarken, Cumhurbaþkaný’nýn masasýna davet ederken; 1’inci Ordu Komutaný’ný ´terör örgütü kurmak´tan içeri týkmadýk mý?

 

Oha2.. If the head of 1st army is guilty  WHY NOT!!. And ask yourself if that woman -Leyla Zana- had any weapon in her hands!! When is that man going to understand what is terrorism what is ´freedom of expressing opinion´ is?

Þehide ´kelle´ dediði için tazminat ödemeye mahkûm olan, ´Askerlik yan gelip yatma yeri deðildir ca -ným kardeþim´ diyen Baþbakan’a, ´Bravo, aynen devam´ deyip, yüzde 47 oy vermedik mi?


Oha3. Disrespecting half of the population because they voted for AKP.

 

PKK, hastalanmamasý için serçe parmaðýnýn tansiyonu bile ölçülen Abdullah Öcalan’ýn saçý kesildi diye, kal -kýþma provasý yapýp, Diyarbakýr’ý yakýp yýktýðýnda, polisin-askerin elini tutup, ´Cana geleceðine mala gel -sin´ diyen Diyarbakýr Valisi’ne ´aferin´ deyip, Baþbakanlýk Müsteþarý yapmadýk mý?


Oha4. Would it be better if there were many deaths?

 

´Amerika istedi diye harekátý kýsa kestik, içerde parça býraktýk, o kamplarý tutmamýz gerekirdi´  dediði için, neredeyse ´vatan haini´ ilan edilen Deniz Baykal, o kamplardan gelen teröristler önceki gün  Aktütün’ü bastýðýnda haklý çýkmadý mý?

 

Oha 5. Everybody but everybody knew those northern iraq incursions were not resulting into anything..Including the army..It was a political game from the beginning..

Anyway..I wont answer the rest...

 

9.       azade
1606 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 03:07 pm

That was well put.

10.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 04:20 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I find him shollow , not because I disagree with him (I respect many writers with whom I disagree), because he is shallow and the way he is writing is reminding me the chats you get in kahvehanes..(ie following only a few papers, watching the news only from the telly, not bothering to think if there might be another angle, accepting everything what genarals say etc etc)

Eli silahlý teröristlere habire af çýkarýrken; Ýstiklal Madalyasý sahibi Jandarma Genel Komutaný’ný hapse atýp, beyin kanamasý geçirene kadar içerde tutmadýk mý?


Oha.. was there an amnesty and did we not hear it?

Well, I am on the writer side and I would ask the same question. That´s your opinion.

 

PKK’ya yataklýk yaptýðý için hapiste yatan kadýný, çýkarýp, Meclis’e sokarken, Cumhurbaþkaný’nýn masasýna davet ederken; 1’inci Ordu Komutaný’ný ´terör örgütü kurmak´tan içeri týkmadýk mý?

 

Oha2.. If the head of 1st army is guilty WHY NOT!!. And ask yourself if that woman -Leyla Zana- had any weapon in her hands!! When is that man going to understand what is terrorism what is ´freedom of expressing opinion´ is?

He’s not talking about Zana. He’s talking about somebody who helped the terorists. If there is a crime, it should be punished. What´s the crime got to do with "freedem of expression"?

 

Þehide ´kelle´ dediði için tazminat ödemeye mahkûm olan, ´Askerlik yan gelip yatma yeri deðildir ca -ným kardeþim´ diyen Baþbakan’a, ´Bravo, aynen devam´ deyip, yüzde 47 oy vermedik mi?


Oha3. Disrespecting half of the population because they voted for AKP.

We know what/who our "Hükümetin baþý" is. What can you expect from an "Imam"? He always shows us what he knows of anything with his speeches everyday (I should say what he doesn´t actually). I am speechless for those who voted for him (not his Party, without him AKP wouldn´t get that many votes).

 

PKK, hastalanmamasý için serçe parmaðýnýn tansiyonu bile ölçülen Abdullah Öcalan’ýn saçý kesildi diye, kal -kýþma provasý yapýp, Diyarbakýr’ý yakýp yýktýðýnda, polisin-askerin elini tutup, ´Cana geleceðine mala gel -sin´ diyen Diyarbakýr Valisi’ne ´aferin´ deyip, Baþbakanlýk Müsteþarý yapmadýk mý?


Oha4. Would it be better if there were many deaths?

TheI am afraid there will be more deaths in the future. We are going to a separation with Kurds.

 

´Amerika istedi diye harekátý kýsa kestik, içerde parça býraktýk, o kamplarý tutmamýz gerekirdi´ dediði için, neredeyse ´vatan haini´ ilan edilen Deniz Baykal, o kamplardan gelen teröristler önceki gün Aktütün’ü bastýðýnda haklý çýkmadý mý?

 

Oha 5. Everybody but everybody knew those northern iraq incursions were not resulting into anything..Including the army..It was a political game from the beginning..

Anyway..I wont answer the rest...

Come on we were rendering terrorist ineffective. Had we stayed a few more days more of these bastards we would get rid of. Weren´t we ordered by US to stop it? I find Baykal´s statement right. By the way who´s side are you on? I have a feeling that you are here on this site to make PKK propaganda?

 

 

 

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