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Very good article about the current position about Terrorism in Turkey
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30.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 03:38 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

But why not - the two seem to often be linked

 

if you assume they are so closely linked, we could also argue that Washington was a racist, the French revolution was a racist movement, and all the nation states in Europe are racist.

 

nationalism was in fact a very progressive movement in the 19th and 20th centuries.

31.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 11:27 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

if you assume they are so closely linked, we could also argue that Washington was a racist, the French revolution was a racist movement, and all the nation states in Europe are racist.

 

nationalism was in fact a very progressive movement in the 19th and 20th centuries.

 

Mixing the apples and pears again..

Racism and nationalism have always been closely linked as almost all racists call themselves nationalists.

But I agree with you about nationalism was "a progressive movement in the 19th and 20th centuries".

But NOT anymore!!

In this century, "nationalism is one of the biggest factors which contributes to division of the nations"..

32.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 03:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Mixing the apples and pears again..

Racism and nationalism have always been closely linked as almost all racists call themselves nationalists.

But I agree with you about nationalism was "a progressive movement in the 19th and 20th centuries".

But NOT anymore!!

In this century, "nationalism is one of the biggest factors which contributes to division of the nations"..

 

 You yourself say here that, racist call themselves nationalists, but this doesnt mean that nationalism is bad itself, everybody who pays taxes also nationalist, because you pay that tax for your country to give you better opportunities...

33.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 03:45 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 You yourself say here that, racist call themselves nationalists, but this doesnt mean that nationalism is bad itself, everybody who pays taxes also nationalist, because you pay that tax for your country to give you better opportunities...

 

I thought that paying taxes and other means of doing your duties to the country was patriotism, not nationalism...

34.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 04:26 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I thought that paying taxes and other means of doing your duties to the country was patriotism, not nationalism...

 

 can you explain a little more? you have to answer this together with the question why do you pay tax?

35.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 06:24 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

if you assume they are so closely linked, we could also argue that Washington was a racist, the French revolution was a racist movement, and all the nation states in Europe are racist.

 

 I agree.  Why do you think being defensive adds to the argument?  Safety in numbers?

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