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60.       vineyards
1954 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 08:41 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 look, vineyards, i hate being silenced. i do know that i have a i right to express my thoughts about alameda´s opinions. or you are gonna limit my rights? you yourslef in the past used various types of expressions. then i didnt jump on you. save your politeness for your own majesty.

call me impolite, i prefer being so instead of a perfidious manipulative snake whos more harmful and dangerous (you know whom i mean).

 

Sticking to everyday English, I would like to say again that I find people using phrases like Alemada types, Vineyards types etc very shallow and impolite. Excuse me if I hurt your feelings. You are of course free to accept or reject this view of mine. I am not limiting you in any way unless you openly attack people. In my opinion, remarks such as yours can be considered the last stop before a personal attack and they surely invite it.

61.       Trudy
7887 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 08:44 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Well, when it comes to the opposite sex....I have very little contempt!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile} 

 

 All? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

62.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 08:45 pm

{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} 

Quoting Trudy

 All? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

 I didn´t say I have NO contempt......there are a few that quite deserve it.....I am not mentioning any names.

63.       femmeous
2642 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 08:48 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Sticking to everyday English, I would like say again that I find people using phrases like Alemada types, Vineyards types etc very shallow and impolite. Excuse me if I hurt your feelings. You are of course free to accept or reject this view of mine. I am not limiting you in anyway unless you openly attack people. In my opinion, remarks such as yours can be considered the last stop before a personal attack and they surely invite them.

 

 and i keep telling you, that i accept the definitions you called me and it doesnt hurt me. you wish i suppose you are so deep that you often prefer to close your eyes on problems and join with more deep and meaningful words dressing them with philosophic mannerish icing and change the core of forums in order to present yourself so articulate sound and polite.

64.       vineyards
1954 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 09:07 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Halle Berry is not an African woman, please... you are not proving that you are not racist, you are proving to be sexist VY, by an objectifying, narrow, sexist standards of female ´beauty´. Berry is a hollywood made ´star´ that copies exactly the same beauty ideas as every other woman in hollywood is supposed to and as teh world is trained to find attractive. this has absolutely nothing to do with real women, and especially real black women.

not finding black men sexy, I don´t think that´s racist, because our attitudes towards attractiveness are very much cultural and based on socialization and conditioning. it has nothing to do with racism.

 

OK Catwoman, I always though she won the best black actress prize (several times) but anyway I would say the same thing about Beyonce. Hope this time I have hit the target.

65.       alameda
3499 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 09:31 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 look, vineyards, i hate being silenced. i do know that i have a i right to express my thoughts about alameda´s opinions. or you are gonna limit my rights? you yourslef in the past used various types of expressions. then i didnt jump on you. save your politeness for your own majesty.

call me impolite, i prefer being so instead of a perfidious manipulative snake whos more harmful and dangerous (you know whom i mean).

 

Perfidious ???? You have expanded your vocabularly! Congratulations.

 

Expressing one´s thoughts and committing libel are different. If you have exptapolated to an unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusion, I would be careful.

 

Free Speech does not give the right to commit defamation of another.

 

That said, I seem to bother you quite a lot. I´m not sure there is much I can do about that. Sorry if, somehow inadvertently and without intention, I´ve hurt your feelings.

66.       femmeous
2642 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 09:36 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Perfidious ???? You have expanded your vocabularly! Congratulations.

 

Expressing one´s thoughts and committing libel are different. If you have exptapolated to an unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusion, I would be careful.

 

Free Speech does not give the right to commit defamation of another.

 

 OMG lol if the shoe fits take it lol

67.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 10:48 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Perfidious ???? You have expanded your vocabularly! Congratulations.

 

Expressing one´s thoughts and committing libel are different. If you have exptapolated to an unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusion, I would be careful.

 

Free Speech does not give the right to commit defamation of another.

 

That said, I seem to bother you quite a lot. I´m not sure there is much I can do about that. Sorry if, somehow inadvertently and without intention, I´ve hurt your feelings.

 

+1

 

It is also against our forum rules, so I would like to ask femme to stop this ridiculous bullying.

68.       cedars
235 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 12:57 am

 

Quoting catwoman

However, my question about racism was more about the current shape of it in your communities... do you see it? do you think it exists? does it bother you? why do you think it´s there? It would be interesting to compare the views of westerners and Turkish, Egyptian, Lebanese... and all other nationalities that we have, about racism in their countries.

 

We have racism in Lebanon, all sorts of racism. Yes it bothers me and I have to admit that sometimes I have racist thoughts;


Many lebanese dont accept if their son/daughter marry a black or a chinese whereas

they  most likely  accept a white american, a swedish, a british into their family.
 
Also, many lebanese think they are superior to palestinians, syrians, sudanese and

egyptians. This is mostly due to the fact that there is a huge influx of workers from

these countries into Lebanon. The jobs they hold are mainly in construction, trash

collection and in gas stations.

There is a big discrimination also against sri lankians and ethiopians. Most maids in

lebanon come from these two countries.
(recently "envoyee speciale" did a special episode about lebanon "Liban le pays des

esclaves" (slaves in lebanon) concerning the maids condition in lebanon. It was a big

scandale but few weeks later everyone forgot about it and nothing changed)

 

So basically, yes there is racism in lebanon. The law formally forbids

all sorts of racism but then no one is there to enforce this law.
That was for color and ethnic background.

 

Regarding religion that is another issue.  There are  18 officially recognized

religious groups in lebanon, 4  Muslim, 12 Christian, 1 Druze, and 1 Jewish. During

the 15 years civil war basically everyone fought against everyone. So religion is a

sensitive issue. Moreover, Lebanese constitution is based on discrimination.
Only a  christian maronite can be a president, only a muslim sunni can be a prime

minister and only a shi´ite can be the speaker of the parliament.
Some groups are classified as a cult and are forbidden, example: jehovah´s witnesses

and mormons.

 

Homosexuality is considered a crime in Lebanon and it is clearly stated in the

lebanese penal code that male homosexuality along with adultery are prohibited.

 

In short, yes there is discrimination in Lebanon.  That´s my country and I love it despite its faults.

 

69.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:18 am

 

Quoting cedars

We have racism in Lebanon, all sorts of racism. Yes it bothers me and I have to admit that sometimes I have racist thoughts;


Many lebanese dont accept if their son/daughter marry a black or a chinese whereas

they  most likely  accept a white american, a swedish, a british into their family.
 
Also, many lebanese think they are superior to palestinians, syrians, sudanese and

egyptians. This is mostly due to the fact that there is a huge influx of workers from

these countries into Lebanon. The jobs they hold are mainly in construction, trash

collection and in gas stations.

There is a big discrimination also against sri lankians and ethiopians. Most maids in

lebanon come from these two countries.
(recently "envoyee speciale" did a special episode about lebanon "Liban le pays des

esclaves" (slaves in lebanon) concerning the maids condition in lebanon. It was a big

scandale but few weeks later everyone forgot about it and nothing changed)

 

So basically, yes there is racism in lebanon. The law formally forbids

all sorts of racism but then no one is there to enforce this law.
That was for color and ethnic background.

 

Regarding religion that is another issue.  There are  18 officially recognized

religious groups in lebanon, 4  Muslim, 12 Christian, 1 Druze, and 1 Jewish. During

the 15 years civil war basically everyone fought against everyone. So religion is a

sensitive issue. Moreover, Lebanese constitution is based on discrimination.
Only a  christian maronite can be a president, only a muslim sunni can be a prime

minister and only a shi´ite can be the speaker of the parliament.
Some groups are classified as a cult and are forbidden, example: jehovah´s witnesses

and mormons.

 

Homosexuality is considered a crime in Lebanon and it is clearly stated in the

lebanese penal code that male homosexuality along with adultery are prohibited.

 

In short, yes there is discrimination in Lebanon.  That´s my country and I love it despite its faults.

 

 Nice post Cedars...and very honest too. Humans, at our most base, are pack creatures, ie we form groups like a pack of wolves or a flock of birds. In ancient times we formed small tribes that were outgrowths of family members. Outsiders were to feared. The process of joining a group was not easy. A lot of blood was shed.

 

Look at nature. I recently saw a documentary on two orphaned male cheetah cubs. The persons who fostered them tried to introduce them back to the wild, the result being one was killed by other male cheetahs who were afraid of competition. The other had to be brought back into a reserve. Lions also form prides. and so it goes.

 

Humans have been trying to grow beyond that to realize a larger family. In some ways we have had success, in others we have failed.

70.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 11:11 am

 

Quoting catwoman

+1

 

It is also against our forum rules, so I would like to ask femme to stop this ridiculous bullying.

 

 there are perfidious manipulative people, believe it or not. they speak to you nice words right into your face at the same time stab your back. i think i often fall prey of such people.

i do shout out my opinion thus becoming an emotional bully.

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