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Condeming Terrorism and Mumbai
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 10:53 am

It is fine to condemn the terrorism and the terrorists in generic terms and also in the individual cases like Mumbai where Islamic terrorists planned to kill 5000 but got short by reaching only around 200.

Now everybody blames Pakistan again..Although I agree with the idea that some of the blames should go to Pakistan, but what about India which promised to hold referendum in Kashmir since 1947 but never honoured it? Instead they  tied their army in there and they created the most heavily militarized zone on earth (1 soldier per 10 civilians)

I think, you can not get rid of terrorism unless you get rid of what is causing it ..

2.       Melek74
1506 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 02:34 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think, you can not get rid of terrorism unless you get rid of what is causing it ..

 

 Religion? {#lang_emotions_wink}

3.       cedars
235 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 02:57 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 Religion? {#lang_emotions_wink}

 

 injustice?  

4.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 03:12 pm

 

Quoting cedars

 injustice?  

 

Religious intolerance ??

Culture Intolerance??

Meglamania?

Ignorance?

5.       Melek74
1506 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 03:55 pm

I was sort of tongue in cheek with the religion as a cause (I don´t think it´s a direct cause, but definitely a contributing factor), but the topic intrigued me enough to do some research. I found this article http://www.meteck.org/causesTerrorism.html, which I found to be very interesting. Definitely it points out that there´s no single cause of terrorism. So how can we get rid of the cause if we can´t even isolate it?

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Dec 2008 Tue 11:36 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I was sort of tongue in cheek with the religion as a cause (I don´t think it´s a direct cause, but definitely a contributing factor), but the topic intrigued me enough to do some research. I found this article http://www.meteck.org/causesTerrorism.html, which I found to be very interesting. Definitely it points out that there´s no single cause of terrorism. So how can we get rid of the cause if we can´t even isolate it?

 

well..Americans can start by trying to solve the palestinian-israeli problem by not backing Israel in every single opportunity which is Al qaida´s main propaganda and if it is done, I think, they will find hard to bring new reqruits..

Iraq and Afghanistan are two major sticking points as far as the west is concerned since W Bush created a huge mess there. In my mind, it will take years to clear..

If they deal with that mess then the west can start to feel secure again.

Between India and Pakistan, I dont think these terrorists activities will stop until injustice in Kashmir is corrected..

 

7.       Melek74
1506 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:09 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

well..Americans can start by trying to solve the palestinian-israeli problem by not backing Israel in every single opportunity which is Al qaida´s main propaganda and if it is done, I think, they will find hard to bring new reqruits..

Iraq and Afghanistan are two major sticking points as far as the west is concerned since W Bush created a huge mess there. In my mind, it will take years to clear..

If they deal with that mess then the west can start to feel secure again.

Between India and Pakistan, I dont think these terrorists activities will stop until injustice in Kashmir is corrected..

 

I hope you don´t mean that acts of terrorism are ok, because the Americans, Jews, (and you forgot to throw the Christians in the mix) brought it on themselves? In my book there´s a difference between an act of war and an act of terrorism. Whereas I agree with you on the main points (about USA supporting Israel - you need to consider the huge Jewish lobby in the USA as well to understand why, and about the huge mess created by Bush), I don´t think that´s justification for terrorism. And let me remind you, the wars were a response to acts of terrorism (9/11/01) and not vice versa. When it comes to India and Pakistan, I´m not sure if it is about Kashmir ... the terrorists did target mainly Americans, Brits, and Jews (based on the reports I´ve seen). It seems to me to be another act against the "evil West".

8.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:21 am

 

Quoting Melek74

And let me remind you, the wars were a response to acts of terrorism (9/11/01) and not vice versa. When it comes to India and Pakistan, I´m not sure if it is about Kashmir ... the terrorists did target mainly Americans, Brits, and Jews (based on the reports I´ve seen). It seems to me to be another act against the "evil West".

but America had been involved in acts of terrorism before 9/11. Those who did 9/11 were the terrorists of America, their weapons were supplied by means of the taxes paid by Americans. These terrorists were not called terrorists by their ally America when they were in favor of their boss and terrorising the other parts of the world like Russia.

 

why do we refer to these puppets as "terrorists" but not to their boss? and what is going on in Iraq is not an act of war, it`s a genocide. America invaded Iraq with no legitimate reason, and genocided 1000,000 of people. No reason at all. How do you relate this to the terrorism of 9/11? The only terrorist I can see in Iraq is the American army.

 

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:29 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

but America had been involved in acts of terrorism before 9/11. Those who did 9/11 were the terrorists of America, their weapons were supplied by means of  the taxes paid by Americans. These terrorists were not called terrorists by their ally America when they were terrorising the other parts of the world like Russia.

 

why do we refer to these puppets as "terrorists" but not to their boss? and what is going on in Iraq is not an act of war, it`s a genocide.

 

 Wow..using your thought process....I could buy a gun at the local gun shop, shoot my neighbor and blame the gun shop for selling it to me.{#lang_emotions_you_crazy}  You obviously are still in denial of your own countries genocide...but I understand it´s easier to swallow when you can point the finger.  No one believes what happened in Iraq was a genocide....but keep telling yourself if that makes you feel better.{#lang_emotions_wink}

10.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:31 am

 

Quoting Melek74

I hope you don´t mean that acts of terrorism are ok, because the Americans, Jews, (and you forgot to throw the Christians in the mix) brought it on themselves? In my book there´s a difference between an act of war and an act of terrorism. Whereas I agree with you on the main points (about USA supporting Israel - you need to consider the huge Jewish lobby in the USA as well to understand why, and about the huge mess created by Bush), I don´t think that´s justification for terrorism. And let me remind you, the wars were a response to acts of terrorism (9/11/01) and not vice versa. When it comes to India and Pakistan, I´m not sure if it is about Kashmir ... the terrorists did target mainly Americans, Brits, and Jews (based on the reports I´ve seen). It seems to me to be another act against the "evil West".

 

 

+100000

 

11.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:34 am

 

Quoting teaschip

   No one believes what happened in Iraq was a genocide....but keep telling yourself if that makes you feel better.{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

 Ãraq has no army,it doesnt fight USA in an organized war,let alone that USA is capturing Ýraq´s land.

What do you call what is happening in Ýraq then ?

What is that ?

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_36585

12.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:36 am

 

Quoting teaschip

Wow..using your thought process....I could buy a gun at the local gun shop, shoot my neighbor and blame the gun shop for selling it to me.{#lang_emotions_you_crazy} You obviously are still in denial of your own countries genocide...but I understand it´s easier to swallow when you can point the finger. No one believes what happened in Iraq was a genocide....but keep telling yourself if that makes you feel better.{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

Sarah Palin Bikini Photo (with Machine Gun)

 

 

You look exactly like this, right? She calls herself "hockey mom", I call her just a redneck.

13.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:38 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 And let me remind you, the wars were a response to acts of terrorism (9/11/01) and not vice versa. When it comes to India and Pakistan, I´m not sure if it is about Kashmir ... the terrorists did target mainly Americans, Brits, and Jews (based on the reports I´ve seen). It seems to me to be another act against the "evil West".

 

 Ãraq has nothing to do with 11/9,so its not true,let me remind you it was the weapon of mass destruction excuse which wasnt there.

14.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:41 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 Ãraq has no army,it doesnt fight USA in an organized war,let alone that USA is capturing Ýraq´s land.

What do you call what is happening in Ýraq then ?

What is that ?

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_36585

 

Wow Canli...we are actually training the Iraqi army....as far as capturing land..we are already scheduled to start sending our troops back.

15.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:45 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

Sarah Palin Bikini Photo (with Machine Gun)

 

 

You look exactly like this, right? She calls herself "hockey mom", I call her just a redneck.

 

I can´t even see this post....but yes I do like Sara....{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}I´ll take this as a compliment rather than your true intentions as an insult....which I believe is against the rules here...

 

Why do feel the need to resort to bad behavior instead of discussing...{#lang_emotions_razz}

 

16.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:48 am

 

Quoting teaschip

Wow Canli...we are actually training the Iraqi army....as far as capturing land..we are already scheduled to start sending our troops back.

 

 Teas,you are making me laugh {#lang_emotions_lol}

A country invading the other,took every bit of it and controlling it,but its loosing numbers due to the iraqi resistance.

So,they put a government,and training an army,and they heading home.

What do you call it ?

The 51 state of the US ?!

17.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:53 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 Teas,you are making me laugh {#lang_emotions_lol}

A country invading the other,took every bit of it and controlling it,but its loosing numbers due to the iraqi resistance.

So,they put a government,and training an army,and they heading home.

What do you call it ?

The 51 state of the US ?!

 

No, actually it´s 52 you forgot afghanistan...{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}  {#lang_emotions_razz} 

18.       CANLI
5084 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 01:57 am

 

Quoting teaschip

No, actually it´s 52 you forgot afghanistan...{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}  {#lang_emotions_razz} 

 

 Nahhhhh,afghanistan isnt that useful to US,its troublesome...i dont think it will keep it

 

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 10:44 am

 

Quoting Melek74

I hope you don´t mean that acts of terrorism are ok, because the Americans, Jews, (and you forgot to throw the Christians in the mix) brought it on themselves? In my book there´s a difference between an act of war and an act of terrorism. Whereas I agree with you on the main points (about USA supporting Israel - you need to consider the huge Jewish lobby in the USA as well to understand why, and about the huge mess created by Bush), I don´t think that´s justification for terrorism. And let me remind you, the wars were a response to acts of terrorism (9/11/01) and not vice versa. When it comes to India and Pakistan, I´m not sure if it is about Kashmir ... the terrorists did target mainly Americans, Brits, and Jews (based on the reports I´ve seen). It seems to me to be another act against the "evil West".

 

I was not trying to justify the terrorism at all.

But when your own goverment´s actions are directly or indirectly responsible of thousands and thousands of deaths in the world, you dont show the same reaction and then, you fail to see what the result is.

You might have a huge Jewish lobby in the states. But in the end, you are supporting Israel which has been using your weapons, your intelligence, your money and your protection in the UN and keeps killing Palestinians. 

How can you say that you are NOT responsible of the deaths of the Palestinians? Of course you are..

When you say ´ah ours is a war but theirs is terrorism´ is hugely misleading and also kind of justification from your end for your wars. 

Can you tell me what the difference is? (yours wars are killing many people and mainly for your ecenomical interests)

 

In the end, you wars are feeding the terrorism in this world and the reality is that your wars are responsible much more deaths than ´the terrorism as a whole´ ever will be.


20.       Melek74
1506 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 03:23 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I was not trying to justify the terrorism at all.

But when your own goverment´s actions are directly or indirectly responsible of thousands and thousands of deaths in the world, you dont show the same reaction and then, you fail to see what the result is.

You might have a huge Jewish lobby in the states. But in the end, you are supporting Israel which has been using your weapons, your intelligence, your money and your protection in the UN and keeps killing Palestinians. 

How can you say that you are NOT responsible of the deaths of the Palestinians? Of course you are..

When you say ´ah ours is a war but theirs is terrorism´ is hugely misleading and also kind of justification from your end for your wars. 

Can you tell me what the difference is? (yours wars are killing many people and mainly for your ecenomical interests)

 

In the end, you wars are feeding the terrorism in this world and the reality is that your wars are responsible much more deaths than ´the terrorism as a whole´ ever will be.


 

You´re assuming that you know what my feelings and opinions are about the war in Iraq, probably because I´m in the USA, and of course, you all know what Americans are like and what they think. I´m no more responsible for actions of my government than you are for the actions of yours. My power ends with my vote in the elections, which does not always result in the win of my candidate. I do not think the war in Iraq is justified, I hope Bush gets tried as a  war criminal, and I´m probably as outraged at what´s happening as you are. But I do think that war differs from terrorism in that you know who your enemy is, your intended target are not civilians (although they are mostly affected and all too many die), and you identify yourself as being at war. Targeting innocent civilians, who are not involved in any way in military actions, who do not have the opportunity to fight back and who don´t even know you´re coming, is an act of terrorism and incredible cowardice, no matter how justified you feel in it.

21.       Melek74
1506 posts
 03 Dec 2008 Wed 03:35 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 Ãraq has nothing to do with 11/9,so its not true,let me remind you it was the weapon of mass destruction excuse which wasnt there.

 

I agree with you on that one, I think it´s one of the most shameful events in American history. I was referring to the war in Afghanistan when I said it was in response to the 9/11.

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