Religion is vital for your life.

May I ask you?

What is your religion?

-        Islam

-        Christian

-        Jewish

-        Christian/Protestant

-        Christian/Catholic

-        Christian/LDS

-        Christian/Other

-        None/Agnostic

-        Scientology

-        Hindu

-        Buddhist/Taoist

-        Atheist

-        Spiritual but not religious

-        Not Religious

-        Other

P.S. We are Muslim.

We should of course respect other peoples cultures, opinions, religions and values.

hehe... seems like you´re collecting a profile out of everyone... hobbies, music, religion.... lol... no offense...

Why the combination of ´none/agnostic´. It doesn´t make sense in my opinion. And since when is ´atheism´ in a list of religions

That was exactly my first thought when I saw "atheism" in the religion´s list. 

Isn´t being ´Not religious´ the same thing as ´none´?  And as DK says, how is Atheism a religion?  You didn´t include Satanism or Witchcraft in the list.  I am sure we have had a thread/post like this recently - it´s a bit repetitive.

(found it http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_31593_4 post 32

Plus there is not just one form of Islam. Check out this map: 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/MuslimDistribution3b.JPG

Even that does not take into account the millions of Alevites in this country. They are not the same as Shiite or whatsoever. The map further disregards 3 million muslims in Germany, 1.7 million in the UK, the  Muslim populations of Bulgaria and Greece. There is also no talk about 7.5 millions muslims in the US.

Yeah, here in egypt we have a group called Bahaais, theyre form of islam is a mixtur between christianity and islam, and they have like 19 months and a week has 19 days and weird things, they have the no.19 sacred becasue if u count the number of charecters in the arabic "besm allah el rahman el raheem" theyre 19, and they also do all these really weird things , my info is kind of vague.

WHO?

 WE  Tami...WE!  

Oh I got it now, I just forgot the "fact" that 99.99999% of the Turks are Muslims for a moment.

i never heard of a Turkish Christian before... are there any? are there turkish people who openly say they are christians?

you got it  

most of my friends when i was kid were Assyrian Christians.

There aren`t any Christians who are ethnically Turks inside Turkey but there are Gagauz Turks living in Moldovia who are Christians.

Most of the Christians in Turkey are Syrians and Arabs living in the southe east around Hatay and Mardin.

but how about Turks?

They were Turkish citizens! "Assyrian" only refers to their ethnicities.

 Yes there are. But I think there are more Turkish Christians who do not say it openly.. I know of the murders on Christian Turks in Malatya. One of the reasons I wont forget it is because the name of the daughter of the murdered man was my own name, Esther.

As for Turkish people who openly say it: I twice went to a church in Ýzmir. I think it was called the ´light church, church of light, smt like that´. It had an international sphere. I went there with a Brazilian catholic family of mine who also lives in Ýzmir. They asked me and Kadir to come for the Eastern and Christmas celebration. There were mainly foreigners in the church who happened to live in Ýzmir (germans, british, brazilian etc), but also some from the east (I spoke to a few Iranians, who said the moved to Ýzmir because of their religion, it was safer to practice it openly there than in their own country), but also some Turks! Some of them said they are open about it. But not all of them are: a week later we ran into a Christian Turkish couple in a shopping mall. They were with friends and immediately told us in English, so that their friends would not udnerstand,  not to mention the fact we had met them in church..

what are Gagauz Turks... if you don´t mind me asking...

A Turkic tribe living in the Balkans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauzia

There are also Karaim Turks living in Lituhania. They are Jewish.

 There are also ´ethnically´ Turks who are christian. I hate the word ´ethnically´, but I just wanted to stress that its not only the ones who are citizens of Turkey, but also the ones who are ´ethnically´ Turk. Most of the ones I have come across were converts, who grew up in a Muslim family, or who came from a family who was converted 1 or more generations ago.

but I do think most of the Christians in Turkey are from ´foreign´ origine, as you said Syrians for example. But its not true that there arent any ethnically Turk christians.

ooh.... i guess Turk christians who are expected to be islam are criticized? i know of someone who is very devoted to islam religion, and that a Turk or a muslim who wants to convert into Christianity isn´t a muslim at all, and that all non-muslim or non-islam will go to hell... hehe...

right but as you said almost all of them are converts which don`t constitute a large number, and they don`t have any Historic root to Christianity. Of course you can`t determine who follows what religion on the personal level.

We are not amused!

now that makes me wonder how old you are

I amsterdam

21... sooooooooooo.... like i said... i was told by a friend, that it´s unspeakable for a muslim to convert to christianity. true?

you meant we aresterdam, didn´t you?

depends on where you are. can smn who lives in a redneck village in Alabama convert to Islam openly?  Likewise you can`t do that in the eastern provinces in Turkey.

 You are right.

As for the western provinces in Turkey: it´s better to be a Christian than an atheist But that is my personal experience.

That is kind of true..

It is a kind of shame in many parts, including the west part of Turkey..

west part of Turkey too? Aren´t they westernized or something? lol specially for guys who marry foreign women...

Trudy should again englighten us about what "westernized" means? I think it`s smt Europeans say only when it suits them

should it always refer to "the good" for example? what is nazizm then?

hmmm i dunno what nazzism has anything to do on this topic....

but by westernized i mean, adapting to european, american (i dunno)  tradition or culture. specially to those who are married to western women.... is there still an issue of religion to married people?

That`s what I mean. Europe was slaughtering all the Jews just 65 years ago, so how come it represents religious tolerance.

Have you heard of the Turks who were burnt alive in Germany last year just becauise being Turks and Muslims?

Foxnews will never mention about stuff like that!!!

the whole of Europe? i thought it was only the Germans.... (my limited knowledge )

anyway... my question was directed to "westernized Turkish people" meaning Turkish people who has adapted western culture, specially those who are married to western women... that was the whole question i was referring to.

Justintime

Look at it by yourself, look at  so called Turks here, they are  kind of ´educated´ and supposed to be westernized people..Look at the hatred in them about any word who contains ´west´.

I would not ask your bf to convert into anything openly..

But if you are a christian already you should be just fine.

hehehe.... nope... i´m not asking my bf to convert though... just a curious question... 

Jewish holocaust in Europe dates back before the wwii. in the middle age, being jewish was banned all over Europe. That`s why many Sephardic Jews fled to the ottoman empire to live in a "non-westernized(thus crappy)" country.

yes i am aware of the holocaust very well.... and i never meant to say that non-westernized countries are "crappy" countries...

my question was,---> is it still an issue for married people who have different religions? a turk islam and a wife who is , i dunno, a mormon, or catholic...   <--- that was my question....

i guess only married people who are married to Turks can answer this question...

Well, having mentioned holocausts and the stuff; I guess one of the most remarkable events in the near history that points out to the continuation of religious and ethnic awareness in the heart of Europe was the ethnic cleansing carried out by the Serbs; Bosnians´ being denied of receiving arms to protect themselves by France and Russia and the surrender of Bosnian civilians  to the Serbian militia  by the Dutch commander in charge who was pictured drinking wine and exchanging smiles with his Serbian counterpart. The Bosnians would then be murdered and raped and the Dutch commander would put the blame on their lack of power. 

A number of Greek, Swedish and Russian ultranationalists came to fight in the ranks of the Serbs against the Muslims. Greek flag was hoisted after the completion of the invasion of a town.

In Europe, it all takes a spark to unleash the ethnic terror examples of which we have seen over and over.

 I think you´re quite able to do that yourself.

Hahaha it is amazing - even a LIST entitled "RELIGION" sparks an argument

(No mention of Pastafarianism I see )

 oh, you little liar

 why such a fuss about it? atheism is a religion too. your faith is in the non-existence of God.

 I disagree!  There is no faith involved in atheism, no rules, no belief. 

 no, not criticised, but end up like malatya christians.

I was trying to avoid mentioning that incident

 awww, tami,

the whole region was christian once before it was islamised under the sword of allah.

the alleged santa comes from this region as well as saint george, most famous christian apologists were from here, the whoe bizantium etc etc.

 you believe that there is no God, right?

then it is a religion.

you dont need to have rules. rules dont make a belief.

Well maybe this is more of an agnostic approach, but where there is no proof, there is no "belief", it is "fact". 

 no, its just tami trying to cover his lies about that there are no turkish christians. and others pretending they knew nothing about the fate of turkich christians if they uncover their belief

the horrific thing is that those murderers came to the apt pretending that they are interested in christianity. thus following one of the islamic rules -taqiyya- so typical once theres no honesty in religion - then its not divine.

 well, believing without a proof is called a faith so if atheists cant prove anything then it turns into a faith

you better go to your coffee lounge and make me a good tea

 ahahaha

then i must be a jew because im a kypchak

tami, i love your knowledge on turks and other turkic nations and their roots.

Then why did you say that Europe was slaughtering Jews 65 years ago?

Perhaps you should do some more reading about WWII because some members here (most members here actually) lost their grandfathers during WWII. And guess what, they didn´t fall out of the warden´s tower in concentration camps. They died because they were opposing Nazists. People all over Europe would give shelter to Jews risking their own lives. And you just put the whole Europe into one pot

Yes in the middle ages Jews were persecuted as they constituted a serious threat to Christian wielders. They didn´t constitute a religious threat, but monetary one. Most countries were in debt to Jews and instead of paying them off they preferred to kick them out of Europe. Religion was, as always, just an excuse. Mediocrity would never attack Jews for the reason that their noblemen are in debt to them. But once the rumour that Jews eat children and drink their blood spread - everybody was casting stones and burning down Jewish settlements. Was it a good thing? Of course not! But that was middle ages, the times when average lifespan was 40 years, education was almost non-existent and plagues were reducing population by hundreds. People were backward, believed in many stupid things so it was so easy to tell them that Jews are responsible for everything.

 +1

well, that was then. do you think people arent backward today, when they put all the blame and curse jews without a single thought given to? i think nothing has significantly changed at least in one particular part of the world.

I´m not actually married to a Turk but am in a happy relationship with one, so I can let you know from my perspective. I think the only reason why this is working out between us is that neither one of us is very religious - I´m raised Catholic but currently agnostic and he´s Muslim of course. If we both were very religious I think we might have some problems. We do talk about religion, but we have a mutual respect for each other´s beliefs (well, we try lol) and an agreement that we´re not going to try to "convert" the other. The topic comes up when we discuss having children in the future and what religion they will be brought in - and again, since I´m not religious, it´s not a major issue for me but I would like them to be able to choose for themselves. The one thing that is sort of problematic is that if we do get married, we won´t be able to have a religious ceremony, I don´t think. And it´s also a pity he doesn´t eat pork , I make a killer pork tenderloin lol.

just like the whole south africa, asia and the americas got christianized under the sword of "jesus".

thanks for that Melek

.... i was just thinking last night....

i do remember though that Ephesus is part of Turkey right? isn´t Ephesus a big part of the whole Christian religion movement, hence the book of the Bible Ephesians?

Isn´t the book of Ephesians about Christ, being the head of the church? And the books emphasis is place squarely on Christ, and who the people are in Him. It also teaches how parents´ primary goal  is to help their children establish a firm foundation for life by nurturing  a self-concept and self-esteem rooted in the reality of who we are in the Lord.

(makes me wonder why today in present, family ties, and parental approval is so important among Turkish people, ... just making an assumption... )

Maybe in history, there are also Turks who are Christians... in Ephesus.... but i just don´t know about today... and why that part of the country has also changed into people who believe in Islam now...

can someone enlighten me on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Karaites

Crimean Karaites deny Israelite origins and consider themselves to be descendants of the Khazars.^[1] Virtually all scholars of Khazar history, however, agree that the Judaism of the Khazars was Rabbinical in nature.

like what the Poles did to them in the ww2? but of course it`s the best for Europeans to blame only Nazis (not even Germany)

Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler, future Pope Benedict in the Center brown suit Nazi

This arshole was the pope just a few years ago!!!

i don´t think wikipedia is a reliabal source though.... anybody can make an input in wikipedia nowadays...

i heard also, that wikipedia is being banned by other uk sites or servers?

Are you sure this is the natzi salute....  I guess you never saw priests praying before..

You are becoming increasingly rude Tamikidakika..

I was reading these posts and thinking that ´oh good..this boy is learning how to debate and argue and put his ideas´ and the next minute, you are switching into a character as if you came back from slaughtering a few infidels.

How disturbing..

Can someone tell me how I "tried to cover up the murder of two missionaries in Malatya"?

when it comes to covering things up, no one can rival teaschip.

hmmmm.... i will try and make an input about how radical islams also have had the German influence (nazzis)  involved.... there is this guy highly renowned by a majority of islam believers, who is a follower of Hitler himself... i will give it more research i just forgot...

it´s a documentary made about "radical Islams" (please take note i´m not referring to all muslims and all Islam.... i´m only referring to the radical Islams here... ) , called The Obsession, and it shows how the Germans also have made an influence in which radical Islams are practicing now... the belief of Holy War, and to conquer and dominate America, and Europe.

i don´t know how you guys can watch this documentary movie.... but here´s the link and trailer...

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

What´s more disturbing is this loaded cannon is in my country...

you should immediately give CIA a call.

is there a way for you to debate without being hostile and sarcastic? you´re not making people knowledgable or making them aware, you´re just making people get irritated...

right, its me who makes people irritated when femme calls me a liar just because I stated a simple fact.

did you notice that before femme got into the debate there had been nothing irritating about this thread? and its still me who is being rude!

Which Poles? Some of the 147,000 that died helping the Jews? There´s a book, called "Forgotten Holocaust" by Richard Lukas, about the very issue and it might give you a more objective view on the matter.

she made that comment to the fact that you said there are no christians who are ethnically Turks...

but when i was thinking last night.. isn´t Ephesus, a major part of the whole Christian movement? which leads me to believe that there was a time in history where there are Christians who are "ethnically Turks"... i just don´t know what happened through the course of time, that changed the belief of those people in that particular region to Islam...

right, we were talking about covering things up.

so you think ephesus was a Turkish city? when ephesus was a "city" the Turks were all in the central Asia.

if you were reading my previous post, i was asking people to enlighten me on this fact.... but then again, you choose to be annoying and sarcastic. really mature for someone who is older than me...

and you are so adamant to the fact of German nazzis influence on the Catholic religion or the Pope doing a salute to Hitler...

when the"radical Islam´s" belief at present is highly influenced by the German Nazzi´s movement, of world domination... check out my previous posts...  or not. Coz it seems pretty obvious you don´t listen to anybody´s opinion but yours...

how do you know that I`m older than you?

Regarding your cheap argument that muslims are nazis, Im not into christian-neocon propaganda.

don´t you know how to read carefully? i am not refurring to all muslims... i am referring to "radical islams" who are only about 10%-15% of the muslim population.... you should try reading it over again... or get a pair of glasses.

so what is so nazi about radical "islams"?

btw. who are "islams"?

 awww, tami, Jesus never had a sword or any other weapon.

and you better have some knowledge

Aenigma has converted me to Pastafarianism! 

trying to cover things up femme?

I have the knowledge that the whole americas asia and south africa got christianized by force.

 i really dont care for your explanation. your anger shows that i was right.

 You should be glad too!  See?  Nobody is arguing about Pastafrianism...it is such a peaceful religion

 Tami can I tempt you to be a pastafarian too?

you are the one implying that i am talking about ALL muslims.... i´m not referring to "islams" i said "RADICAL ISLAMS"....a certain percentage who belong to the muslims....how many times do i say that i´m not referring to all muslims? Your difficult....

you have the knack for generalizing everything, don´t you?

you think you know a lot, when you don´t even know how "radical islams" started out.

If you all shut up I will buy you a cocktail each

 awww, daddy, femme is beating me and others

btw, you didnt state facts, you stated lies.

before i entered the thread ther was nothing irritating you, but there was plenty irritating for me (including your little false statements)

that`s exactly what I asked you. If you didn`t understand it well, here Im repeating it

what is so nazi about radical "islams"?

 tami, if we talk about religions or turkic nations history, i will eat you up the whole.

you are talking about crusades organised by the remains of roman empire. and crusades have nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings.

i told you to look at my previous posts right? apparently you don´t pay attention, cause you only like listening to yourself... and i am compounding "radical islams" together, i am not centralizing it as radical "islams" because i am only referring to a specific group, not the "islams" in general.

if i have a lot of time, i´ll tell you how the Nazzis influenced the "radical islam" belief. i have better things to do at the moment, rather than debate to a person who doesn´t seem to listen.

 Ermmm shouldn´t you say "muslims" here?

Anyway, anyone want a coffee, or would you prefer to continue pulling out eachothers hair?

The only lie I see here is your posts femme. sorry but we don`t buy your cheepo christian propaganda

I did not read about what the argument is but my answer will be:

I guess, the common denominator is faschism (as all radical religions are ´faschists´ too)

right, it seems that this kid doesnt even know what is islam and what is muslim, but we should still believe her argument that radical "islams" are nazis.

so does being fascist make you nazi? can we argue that america is nazi too then?

Do not change the subject pls..ha ha

10 pages already - is this a record for a Yilgun thread?

I`m just questioning the rhetoric, if you didn`t understand what I meant.

I thought you were a non believer..

I think, you will support anything which looks anti-western.

Anyway..radical islam (or any radical parts of almost all religions) is fascism in purest form..

if she had said radical islam is fascism like what you said, I would have agree with her. but her trying to relate nazism to radical islam is plain christian-neocon propaganda. and its only objective is to deny the nazi past of christianity by portraying it smt not related to christianity but islam!

Tami, you´re a genius! How about writing your very own history book.

The facts are as follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

But according to you it is Poles who exterminated Jews during WWII?

Christianity is a religion of sword but Islam is a religion of love?

Lets see, in holy books of both there are fragments that might and have been interpeted in such a way to give excuse for manslaughter, but neither of them is theoretically pro-war. Followers of both religions are responsible of great number of deaths. So what´s the difference?

Christianity was bloody in the past while Islam still is. And that´s all.

 I agree.

I disagree. Hitler was not a Christian.  His writings:-

11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is  Christianity´s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

Hitler as a National Socialist was more into pagan things than Christianity, which is a Jewish-rooted religion.

when did I say islam is a religion of love? If you`re so willing to blame smn of being a fan boy, that should be our beloved missionary femme who denies even the basic facts about christianity like their barbaric acts to christianize the whole americas asia and south africa.

Isn´t all this going round in circles?  Can´t we ALL agree that extreme groups of ANY religion cannot possibly represent the mainstream?

I am not even religious but I am sure I can find examples from any religion that are good and bad. 

This conversation is very funny actually.  Both sides (Christian and Muslim) are using extreme arguments to defend your views!  That makes you as bad as those you criticise!

that´s what I understood from your posts, if that´s not what you meant then my apologies. As for barbaric christianisation - right! let´s not forget about barbaric islamisation as well

Both religions are responsible for bloodshed. But I haven´t heard of many Christian bombings recently. Have you?

OMG!!! relating nazzism to radical islam meant im starting out some sort of christian propaganda?

And you don´t see anything wrong with you trying to relate the Nazzi salute to the Catholic Pope? (i´m not even Catholic... )

on nazzism´s influence to radical islam/muslim.... i will post it in another thread. but I AM NOT starting out any sort of propaganda.

I have. don`t forget that the crusaders are still in Iraq and they are responsible for the genocide of 1 million muslims.

cool just make sure you dont mess up with the words islam and muslim

This is ridiculous!!!!! STOP IT

Most of the US and Europe are hardly practicising Christians anyway!  Why do you have to bring religion into EVERYTHING!

Blame the US and Alliance for Iraq - that is fine, but you CANT say it is a Christian act!

it`s the commander of the army in Iraq who said that they were crusaders. Its not my argument, or interpretation.

+ me, my house and my car

Religion has NOTHING to do with it (and for whoever´s sake don´t quote Bush again)

 Then he is WRONG!  There are millions of Jews, Muslims, Hindus and many other religions in the US and Europe! 

Please stop this archiac West = Christian, East = Musilm crap!

right we shouldn`t regard what the commander of the army says.

eh don`t you see that it`s europeans who love to use this distinction alot? there is smt called orientalism but not ocidentalism.

 No you are wrong.  Even if you were right, does it mean we all have to continue and promote this kind of crap?

first off I`m right(as usual)

secondly, I`m not so keen on using that distinction but what should I do when your beloved european and american fellows use that distinction to slag whatever they consider eastern every chance they get?

 I thought you were staying out of this!  Get back to the lounge immediately...customers are waiting!!! 

They are not "my beloved" Tam and I do disagree with you.

However I am not going to argue about this anymore.  Have fun.

 ok, if i lie then prove it. bring every single post of mine and prove my lies.

second, where do you see a propaganda? im only stating facts, but you are not able to accept them, because you are blinded by self-defence. the core and founder of christianity Jesus never said "go and occupy, force others into christianity", even the word christianity didnt exist at the time.

in stead he said "love your neighbour".

while the core and founder of islam is opposite to Jesus

learn baby, learn.

Are you sure you do not have any inferior complex about the west?

I speak to many many western people everyday, I hardly feel it to be honest!

so why are there Muslim, Christians, Pagans, Atheists and many more in the US and EU army if its only purose is to bring God to pagans? And why has the Church condemned that war? And yeah, although he is head of the army he´s also a dick. He said many a foolish thing but yet I havent seen crosses on the falgs they carried into Iraq, just Stars and Stripes. Can it be we´re on to a new religion? Nah, sorry, this is a religion as old as the hills - it´s called MONEY.

But go on Tami, do believe in a global Christian crusade Foam at the mouth, stamp your food but you won´t change it - it´s about money not religion. Plus, US is constitutionally a secular country, isn´t it? There´s freedom of belief there. There are mosques, synagogues and churches next to each other and yet, when they go on war because their foreign politics is aggressive you claim it´s a religious thing. How logical!

I have nothing to argue with you femme until you learn about the barbarism the christians carried out to convert people in the places they conquered. that includes the genocides of whole Mayas Incas, American Natives and many other groups of people.

you`re a brainwashed fanboy, that`s all I have to say about you. and thats my last reply to you in this thread. Enjoy!

 I complete agree

However I don´t know how to stamp my food

I thought you were off you changed your mind?

 I´m sure I read you saying that you live in the USA Tamiki - why?  You must hate it there.

lol... this argument will never end unless all of us agree with tamik...

 I said I can´t argue with you anymore - it is pointless!

cause I`m right, and you`re wrong

Hmmm... I was just about to ask the same thing.  For someone who clearly holds all things American/Western in contempt it seems odd that he would be here. 

I live in Turkey LIR, I`m a citizen and resident of Turkey not of the States.

 No canim.  Because you will NEVER change your point of view (radical though it is) so there is no point in arguing because you will always believe you are right

see? told you,... he will always be right...

that`s because I AM always right.

 Teas that is not funny...... you two are as bad as eachother, if we are talking about radicals!

 Femme, was right you are a liar..you admitted you lived here in the states in a previous post.

 I found it very funny myself.  It would not surprise me!

yes i remember that too...

hey, why not try to be god, and start your own religion

 No it is REALLY NOT funny - you just promote the same east-west stereotypes that he is doing.  But much worse actually, you are personally insulting too.

I just once said that I was in America.

If you wonder about this alot, I study in America, I`m not a resident here, Im on a visa. So legally I`m considered to be living in Turkey as Im a resident of Turkey.

but you are currently residing in America, is it not?

 Your right it is NOT funny when you think about, quite scary actually..don´t get me started on stereotyping..and personal insults..Bye the way I thought you were leaving...

right but legally Im considered just a visitor.

 Well that´s just semantics then isn´t it.  You are using the US educational system but hate the US.  Rather contradictory.  

 Sorry teas....it wasn´t funny at all. 

 Well if you heard all of his criticism and insults over the last few days...it was well deserved. You don´t have to find it amusing..

I don`t hate America, I hate it`s foreign policy just like I hate my own country`s foreign policy.

what is so contradictory about this? Do I have to like what America is doing in Iraq to be able to go to the States?

 It wasn´t funny and I think you should delete the comment please teaschip.

 Did he call you a terrorist?

 if an american or european were in turkey and at the same time would hate turkey by posting it everywhere heavily insulting islam, he would be dead the next day.

that is the difference here, that you all deny to admit.

 Do I really have to go back and quote every one of your anti-American posts here which is probably at least a few hundred.....give me a break. 

Well it seems that you have everyone here fooled then.  I´m quite sure you have given that impression to most, if not all of us.  Good to know you aren´t just being a hypocrite.

 He has made too many personal insulting comments to members here.  I refuse to delete it based on his character he has shown at this site, I have my conclusion about him.  Your a mod....if you wish to delete, then delete it.

 The fact is Tam, that millions of Americans and Europeans dont like what is happening in Iraq either.  But you label everyone and then also, for good measure, slap a religious tag onto it too!

 dont exaggerate here LIR, he called all christians crusades.

and its a fact that everybody comes to the west to study, even to become a pilot.

Well sorry I think it was a sick joke and only proves what Tamikidakika is saying about the west, even though it is not true!!!!!

 +1

 i saw no joke in his posts re: crusades.

it was femme who first did it. actually the thread had been so peaceful before femme started trolling

he keeps accusing ´all´ Europeans and ´all´ the people in the west with all sorts of things.

And it is kind of psychotic  and shows the level of nationalism  and west hating in my country

as for the cruders I was just quoting Bush, if you are so against it, you should argue about this with him.

 And?  Teaschip accuses him of being a terrorist!!  That also makes her psychotic and east hating no?

You are as bad as eachother, you should enjoy the rest of this thread together...

bye!!!!!!

 Look at the children all running to Mummy for help....

I think there is a difference between referring to all christians as crusaders and implying (even jokingly) that someone could be a terrorist so I will delete the comment.

 I agree.  Still Teas, I guess its a good way to ensure there are MORE terrorists...

I was not calling for anybody´s help really..

I never said all christians are crusaders, I just quoted Bush that the American army is crusading in Iraq.

That`s what Bush says not me!

 Why dont you delete the femme girls first post calling tami liar for a start?

 Obviously these members haven´t seen his quite insulting posts...or rather have just brushed it under the carpet.  I believe he mentioned the another night about supporting Al-Qaida he would be sent to quantaonmo...because he lived in the U.S.   

 Armegon, why are you angry?!  LIR deleted a post insulting Tamikidakika, but you ask for MORE?

 There is still a big difference in insulting your country, to calling someone a terrorist.  You obviously don´t see it...

I wasn`t going to respond to you but yes that`s right. so what are you trying to say?

Also, while your at it look at tamiks post about Roswitha masturbating....among many other insulting posts.

Personally, I think this entire forum is inflamatory and should be deleted.  It was obvious from the start what the arguement would be and who would be involved.  Can we please stop fanning the flames?

 You are acting like a child!  I assume that post was also deleted, was it not?

you mean mental masturbation?

 The ENTIRE FORUM?!?!?!

Please just this thread

 I made a insuation...didn´t call him a terrorist directly.  Many insuations are made at this site by members....even yourself.

yes that one....

 I am not saying I, or anyone is an angel, but I think that was a really bad thing to say, particularly as your comment justified HIS comments about the US!!!!

I can tell you that it doesn`t mean masturbating like what teas says

Excuse me!  But don´t you drinks to serve and dudus to criticize.....and no it was not deleted..

 You´re right....that´s what I meant. 

and you think telling someone to continue in their "mental masturbation" isn´t insulting?

 In my book, it is still FAR less insulting than implying you are having training to be a terrorist.

I never said It`s not insulting. It was meant to be insulting.

 like I said justinetime....many of these members obviously have not been here to see his personal insults towards others like we have experienced.

 Im just reading the posts in this thread so maybe i havent noticed yet

This is ridicilous..

He even calls pope as arshole..I dont care personally what he is called but ..

And what is it saying that ´Europe was slaughtering all the Jews just 65 years ago´ what if someone says that Turkey was slaughtering the armenians 100 years ago?

anyway..

It is getting stupid really..

give us some examples!

 Salak!

an insult is an insult...

and the only reason that implication came up in the first place, was of his own post in another thread, of joining Al quieda... isn´t that a terrorist group?

i agree....

 ..well actually it is NOT because it doesn´t exist.  But he was saying this about YOU personally?

what should i call a nazi if not arshole?

btw. Daydreamer keeps insulting Bush too.

Someone´s post is being deleted for insulting comments and the same person is admitting ´he was trying to insult´

it is getting funnier

 Hehehe i dont think there is any member here (except Teaschip) who does not insult Bush!

although that insult wasn´t meant for ME,  someone had to retaliate for accusing someone to support pkk just because of making a post about Ayna.

would you want to check your post in the other thread? it might refresh your memory.

 I agreed with your post saying this is getting ridiculous!  Do you not feel there are DEGREES of insults?  I just called Armegon "salak" but he won´t take offence  

I dont want to see censorship either, but I thought that particular comment was below the belt, that is all.

Yup, I do! And I´m not ashamed of that. Anybody who advocates killing is a dick. The history was built by dicks. Now it´s vaginas time

I`m personally fine with insults

yes it´s ridiculous...

i think i´ll just stick to my translations and dudu posts here instead...

 OK

You are a salak too

 Daydreamer, only you could turn this into a conversation about dicks and vaginas! 

I don`t need to check it out cause I know very well what I posted. maybe it`s you who needs to read it again to see what is meant in the post.

so we´ve noticed...

TC is getting so fun now!

Well this obviously not going anywhere...so I´m out of here.  Hopefully Tamiks not flying the plane. I already know...Teaschip this is NOT funny........delete.

I would mind personally but dont you think it might be considering as insulting as ´someone calling mohammed something´ for some people.

And accusing  All Europeans for nazi crimes is as bad as accusing all the Turks  for Armenian incident..

You have no ascape in there!!

ahmm... what can I say...that´s ME , now ...did Yilgun include sapik in his personality list?

 No, I dont think you need to worry Teas.  Bush has not given the Saudi Arabian pilots the "go-ahead" this time