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1.       vineyards
1954 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 10:50 pm

 

The Purpose of this message:

"To awaken people to an important problem which I believe may become even more threatening unless we take it seriously."

                                      -------- M E S S A G E --------

The Internet is full of messages a couple of which I am quoting below:

 

"mohammad (beep) was a beep, and for that he is in beep for eternity, altogether with arafag and many other muslims who in life were also beep."

"Islam is not a race Kermit. Muhammed the beep "prophet" of islam was a beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Beep is the most intolerant "religion" on the planet. You are a beep if you think islam is a race. Actually, you are probably a muslim beep yourself. Your ban is lame PC beep."

 

                                     --------END OF MESSAGE ---------

Punchline:

We should not hate other beliefs or ethnicities. We should educate our children accordingly.

 

 

Disclaimer:

There are also people cursing Christianity, Hinduism, Jewry, Zoroaster´s religion, Buddhism, Shamanism, Paganism and many more which I am unable to include here. I am not in a position to personally count all those demeaning messages one by one and equally unable to come to an authoritative conclusion as to which group send more and uglier posts. Nevertheless, I believe, Islam is a primary target these days. Although this is just a personal opinion.

 

Furthermore, I am not an open-minded person at all. On the contrary, many people think I am a problematic member of TLC.

 
   

2.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 11:13 pm

, so what can we do?Thanks to anti-islam propogandists.I suppose we all know these. And whats your aim starting such a thread? I think you can also say the same things by not quoting these disgusting slanders{#lang_emotions_wink}...

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 11:20 pm

Criticism is fine, also about Islam. People who use words like you quoted from some source are not real criticasters, they are just uneducated, ignorant and bad raised idiots.

4.       lady in red
6947 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 11:40 pm

 

Quoting armegon

And whats your aim starting such a thread? I think you can also say the same things by not quoting these disgusting slanders{#lang_emotions_wink}...

 

 

I agree completely - not sure why you posted this vineyards.  If I came across this I would just ignore it.  The internet is full of bad things written by idiots and worse trying to provoke a reaction.

5.       vineyards
1954 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 11:55 pm

LIR

I would ignore, you would ignore, everyone would ignore hence everywhere is full of this hatred propoganda.

 

Site admins must also be ignoring them completely so they stay undeleted for ages.

6.       lady in red
6947 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 12:14 am

 

Quoting vineyards

LIR

I would ignore, you would ignore, everyone would ignore hence everywhere is full of this hatred propoganda.

 

Site admins must also be ignoring them completely so they stay undeleted for ages.

 

You are right - of course these type of messages should be deleted as soon as possible.  I suppose though that in some cases the site admin are the same type of people as the people that post {#lang_emotions_sad}  - control of internet content is not great generally is it? 

7.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 12:17 am

 

Quoting lady in red

You are right - of course these type of messages should be deleted as soon as possible.  I suppose though that in some cases the site admin are the same type of people as the people that post {#lang_emotions_sad}  - control of internet content is not great generally is it? 

 

If you find quotes like the ones Vineyards posted on sites like whitepower.shit, don´t be surprised. You´ll know upfront what you´ll read.

8.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 12:36 am

I disagree with your assertion Vineyards.  A forum it may be, but if the examples you give are posted there, then it isn´t a forum "like" this one.

9.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:09 am

To you it is an assertion but in my opinion it is an everyday reality. With messages being posted freely on Eurosport, Yahoo and you name it, it takes a blindness of a certain kind not to notice them.

 

In my opinion, there is a deep rooted racist culture underneath the civilized outlook all around Europe (including Turkey).

 

Are you aware that worldwide organizations like FIFA are striving (at least apparently) to bring an end to racism and Islamophobia. We are not just talking about Serbia or some other smaller country where such thing can easily be attributed to ignorance or to the fact that they are small, closed homogenic communities. We are talking about the UK, the US, Spain and Italy. These countries have this problem in their stadia, subway stations, public forums and wherever people meet one another.

 

And this whole thing is becoming extremely annoying...

 

I am not writing this to put the blame on Europe and praise Turkey. In fact, we are also getting more and more racistic. Christian presence in this country has lately become an open target for ultranationalist groups. Assasinations, assaults and threats have increased. Law enforcers are almost openly supporting certain groups committing crimes of this kind on account that they serve the well-being of the country. I detest ultra-nationalism, racims and ethnic hatred of all kinds.

 

Germany - a country which is supposed to be a center for European civilization was also home to a number of murders committed by neo-Nazists who burned down houses, attacking Turkish people in the streets. There are many more examples proving that mine is not a mere assertion.

10.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:14 am

 

Quoting vineyards

To you it is an assertion but in my opinion it is an everyday reality. With messages being posted freely on Eurosport, Yahoo and you name it, it takes a blindness of a certain kind not to notice them.

 

In my opinion, there is a deep rooted racist culture underneath the civilized outlook all around Europe (including Turkey).

 

Are you aware that worldwide organizations like FIFA are striving (at least apparently) to bring an end to racism and Islamophobia. We are not just talking about Serbia or some other smaller country where such thing can easily be attributed to ignorance or to the fact that they are small, closed homogenic communities. We are talking about the UK, the US, Spain and Italy. These countries have this problem in their stadia, subway stations, public forums and wherever people meet one another.

 

And this whole thing is becoming extremely annoying...

 

Two questions:

 

1. Who´s to blame for this according to you?

2. What´s the solution to solve it?

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