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10.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:14 am

 

Quoting vineyards

To you it is an assertion but in my opinion it is an everyday reality. With messages being posted freely on Eurosport, Yahoo and you name it, it takes a blindness of a certain kind not to notice them.

 

In my opinion, there is a deep rooted racist culture underneath the civilized outlook all around Europe (including Turkey).

 

Are you aware that worldwide organizations like FIFA are striving (at least apparently) to bring an end to racism and Islamophobia. We are not just talking about Serbia or some other smaller country where such thing can easily be attributed to ignorance or to the fact that they are small, closed homogenic communities. We are talking about the UK, the US, Spain and Italy. These countries have this problem in their stadia, subway stations, public forums and wherever people meet one another.

 

And this whole thing is becoming extremely annoying...

 

Two questions:

 

1. Who´s to blame for this according to you?

2. What´s the solution to solve it?

11.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:14 am

 

 

I am commenting on your assertion that those forums are "like" this one.  In my opinion they are not. 

 

 

12.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:23 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

I am commenting on your assertion that those forums are "like" this one.  In my opinion they are not. 

 

Well, why are we deviating from the main subject? Should we start by defining what the Internet is? Regardless of what it is and how it is run,  I am talking about a real problem which needs to be taken seriously. I do know that the Internet is not TLC or vice versa.

13.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:37 am

 

Quoting Trudy

Two questions:

 

1. Who´s to blame for this according to you?

2. What´s the solution to solve it?

 

Trudy, I developed my post a little after you asked this question...

 

1. In my opinion the only way such a problem could occur on such a vast scale is through education people receive from their families.

 

2. The first step is recognizing the problem, the second one is restructuring the education system, the third being revising migration laws.

 

For example, migration laws give way to illegal presence of foreigners who are utterly deprived financially and socially. The world on the other hand has adopted Churhchill´s idea about weaker nations. Churchill thought mighter countries are entitled to the land and resources of  weaker civilizations and this is exactly what is happening in the world today.

 

I am tired of repeating the same example but the US citizens hate the guts of the Iraqis as if they weren´t the ones who killed their leader, invaded their country, billed all the expenses to them, seizing all their natural resources, taking independence fighters to Guantanamo where they are routinely tortured (as confessed by a retired General recently). When you browse US sites you can see millions of phrases like this desacrating Islam and Mohammad. If you are seeking solutiýon you should start by voting against this. Writing against it could also serve a good starting point.

 

In the end, The US foreign policy today is very much in line with the despotic tenets of the Churchilian era.

14.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:38 am

I can´t really see your point, Vineyards.  The internet is full of all kinds of weird, horrible people from paedofiles to racists and bigots of all kinds.

 

Are you suggesting there should be censorship?  And why were your examples only about Islam?

15.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:42 am

Ý agree with both you and Trudy here Vineyards.

Those kind of things represent the communities and not just a matter of some talks on the net..and it goes deeper than just deleting the posts,that will erase the stuff from being available but wont change the mentalities which believe it.

But what can we do about it ?

To change this,you need to change the communities themselves,and that is not an easy task.

What do you think we as individuals an do about it ?!

16.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:42 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Well, why are we deviating from the main subject? Should we start by defining what the Internet is? Regardless of what it is and how it is run,  I am talking about a real problem which needs to be taken seriously. I do know that the Internet is not TLC or vice versa.

 Of course it´s a real problem,  I just don´t agree that this site is like those sites.  This site may have it´s disagreements amongst members but it doesn´t allow the type of posts you gave as examples. 

 

No Vineyards, you don´t need to define what the internet is, I think we all understand that .

 

Regarding another point, it might have been helpful if you had made your opinion clear in your first post.  Those of us that know of you may have understood the intention of your post but there are thousands of members here (of course I know you know this) who don´t and, for them, it may have been as clear as mud.

 

 

17.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:45 am

Aenigma, when you wake up in the morning, you will probably have a breakfast and I suppose you are not going to eat exactly the same thing. People have different interests and by chance they come accross with different aspects of the web as they browse it. Personally, I hate these kinds of things (you know I am not even a Muslim).

 

I geniunely admire Jesus Christ and I am not so sure about Mohammad but this is just my idea about those two prophets. Whatever they did thousands of years ago is just speculation and I have nothing to say about them. What I am trying to do is respecting believers idea about their religion. True I don´t like the Feast of Sacrifice since I am sorry about all those rams being victimized but then I am not even a vegeterian so who am I to blame them?

 

I know there are a couple of bad things to be said about all prophets but I think I´ll keep them to myself to respect those who genuinely believe in something about which I have neither a sound idea or an opinion.

18.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:47 am

You still don´t get my point!  You gave some examples from forums where people are saying disgusting things about Islam.  There are thousands of those sites I am sure, just as there are thousands of sites where people say the same about Christianity.  There are even WORSE sites that both these subjects.

 

What is your point?

19.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:48 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

  And why were your examples only about Islam?

 

 Maybe because it will be easier for you to find those kind of things any where and get his idea ?

20.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:50 am

You still didn´t get my point either. If you remember the breakfast example, you can think of Islam as butter and Christianity as honey. Now, if I am against breakfast, I am against both honey and butter...

 

P.S. I admire Jesus Christ so much, I have almost all of its LP versions in my collection...

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