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10.       alameda
3499 posts
 25 Dec 2008 Thu 12:46 am

Where do you live and work, lessluv? What type of work do you do? Actually it´s not only the elderly who are in these facilities, it´s anyone who iis too sick to care for themselves and doesn´t have anyone who can provide that care. With so many working away from home, those numbers are increasing.

 

I know a 23 year old woman who was in one.

 

Quoting lessluv

 I am quite saddened by the care recieved in nursing homes and residential home in the areas where I live and work..... generally known as "don´t care homes". They are seen solely as businesses and are there for profit only..... It is hard work caring for the elderly but I have witnessed many times that the management team has not seen fit to provide the appropriately skilled staff to ensure the safety of those in their care.{#lang_emotions_rant}

I know there are good homes out there but in my line of work we generally only see the bad ones....people being left on toilets and commodes for hours. Suffering from malnutrition as they haven´t been able to feed themselves and no one thought to help them..... we regularly report these homes but they are still there and still providing only the most basic of needs.

 

It just really really breaks my heart to think that you work hard all your life to provide for yourself and your family and to have a decent quality of life.... to end it all in a state of neglect and subjected to abuse is just criminal (and really depressing!){#lang_emotions_sad}

 

 

11.       lessluv
1052 posts
 25 Dec 2008 Thu 02:39 am

 

Quoting alameda

Where do you live and work, lessluv? What type of work do you do? Actually it´s not only the elderly who are in these facilities, it´s anyone who iis too sick to care for themselves and doesn´t have anyone who can provide that care. With so many working away from home, those numbers are increasing.

 

I know a 23 year old woman who was in one.

 

 yes you are right that it is not just the elderly....anyone who has to depend on someone else for the provision of basic needs is vunerable and with the ever dispersing family support it is easy for those in need to fall victim to systems that continually fail them

12.       Melek74
1506 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 01:20 am

 

Quoting alameda

I disagree with you here. Of course those who work in care facilities are underpaid, and the facilities are understaffed. That does result in burn out. However, this should not be a solely a moneymaking endeavour. For sone it is just a job. Why don´t we take another look and reevaluate how things are done? Maybe there is a better way. How is it that Holland is able to do such a good job, and we in the USA are not?

 

As to the dementia problem, of course I know it is an organic brain disease, but my question is/was, how many are dismissed as being demented? Diet, emotional state can impact on how the mind works as well. I think we are too quick to attribute odd/antisocial behaviour as dementia, when maybe it is not.

 

I don´t think we disagree all that much here, it appears that you agree that there´s a problem that comes from staffing issues that I highlighted. Maybe I´m just a bit more tolerant of less than ideal care empathizing with the issues that the care workers face who work in such facilities. It probably stems from me never having a loved one in a facility and being faced with the challenges of being on the other side in my professional life. And I do agree that perhaps there´s a better way to do things - for me that better way would involve improving the working conditions of the staff as well - I don´t necessarily mean better wages - for example by lowering the patient-to-staff ratio, and by appreciating the work that they do - I find that people will go an extra mile for a simple "thank you".

 

You´re right on the second point too. I think we were talking about 2 different things - I meant the diagnosis of dementia in my post and I think you´re talking about people dismissing others because of the label that the patient carries, which may or may not be a result of the diagnosis. You make a good point there and I think our "disagreement" was merely due to semantics. I´ve seen it other way too - sometimes people would excuse certain behaviors because of the label - or they would think having a label gives them permission to be as socially inappropriate as they want to. Maybe not so much in the nursing homes, but definitely in the mental health field.

13.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 01:37 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I don´t think we disagree all that much here, it appears that you agree that there´s a problem that comes from staffing issues that I highlighted. Maybe I´m just a bit more tolerant of less than ideal care empathizing with the issues that the care workers face who work in such facilities. It probably stems from me never having a loved one in a facility and being faced with the challenges of being on the other side in my professional life. And I do agree that perhaps there´s a better way to do things - for me that better way would involve improving the working conditions of the staff as well - I don´t necessarily mean better wages - for example by lowering the patient-to-staff ratio, and by appreciating the work that they do - I find that people will go an extra mile for a simple "thank you".

 

You´re right on the second point too. I think we were talking about 2 different things - I meant the diagnosis of dementia in my post and I think you´re talking about people dismissing others because of the label that the patient carries, which may or may not be a result of the diagnosis. You make a good point there and I think our "disagreement" was merely due to semantics. I´ve seen it other way too - sometimes people would excuse certain behaviors because of the label - or they would think having a label gives them permission to be as socially inappropriate as they want to. Maybe not so much in the nursing homes, but definitely in the mental health field.

 

Of course a simple thank you would go a long way, but many of the patients in nursing homes are hardly in a condition to be concerned about being polite. Many are alone and feeling, or actually abandoned. When I go to visit, it´s heartbreaking to see so many people with that pitiful look in their faces. They build up walls around themselves to protect themselves. If they are lucky enough to have family and friends who do visit them and are also able to interact in a positive way with staff, that would be wonderful, but many of these people do not have that luxury.

 

Yes, I know it´s a job many could not take, but some take it only as a job. I know persons in certain fields, like Drs and nurses have to distance themselves, but still I´m asking a hypothetical question, isn´t there a better way?From what I´ve heard of some European methods, I´d like to read how they deal with this.

 

With more cuts to funding for social services, things will probably get worse. It seems as a society we let the most vulnerable, and the ones who can least affort it, get cut first. Like Schwarznegger´s proposed cuts to health and human services.

 

I recently spoke with someone who had a loved one in a nursing home who told me one of the nurses kept telling the person, who was in agonizing pain,  that until he accepted Jesus he could not die. He had requested a stop to the dialsys he was getting.

 

 

 

14.       Melek74
1506 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 02:40 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Of course a simple thank you would go a long way, but many of the patients in nursing homes are hardly in a condition to be concerned about being polite. 

 

I recently spoke with someone who had a loved one in a nursing home who told me one of the nurses kept telling the person, who was in agonizing pain,  that until he accepted Jesus he could not die. He had requested a stop to the dialsys he was getting.

 

While it´s easier to work with a nice patient, that´s not whom I had primarily in mind when I said appreciating the work that the staff does. Anyway, I don´t mean to go back and forth with you on that one, maybe we really do disagree and let´s leave it at that {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

People like that nurse you mentioned infuriate me. There´s not many things I hate more than religious fanatics who push their beliefs and religious agendas on others. How dare they! Especially on patients! I find it to be not only very unprofessional and unethical, but also lacking in compassion and respect. {#lang_emotions_rant}

15.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 07:02 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

While it´s easier to work with a nice patient, that´s not whom I had primarily in mind when I said appreciating the work that the staff does. Anyway, I don´t mean to go back and forth with you on that one, maybe we really do disagree and let´s leave it at that {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

People like that nurse you mentioned infuriate me. There´s not many things I hate more than religious fanatics who push their beliefs and religious agendas on others. How dare they! Especially on patients! I find it to be not only very unprofessional and unethical, but also lacking in compassion and respect. {#lang_emotions_rant}

 

 

The point of my starting this thread was not to discuss the situation of workers in nursing homes and end of life facilities, but to discuss the plight of the patients and the larger societal role in it, and see if there are any ideas on how to improve it......for everyone.How is this dealt with in Europe, how is it dealt with in Turkey?

 

I think what that nurse did is actually illegal.  Hmmm...did you see this?

States cut Medicaid Coverage further

 

I wish we could take some of those multi million $ bonuses some in the failing/failed financial industry got and apply it to causes like these.

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