Biz nasýl saðlýklý besleniriz ve yaþarýz?

Yapýlan bir araþtýrmaye göre özetle þöyle=

- Pazardan meyve ve sebzelerin mevsimine göre alýnmasý

- Mevsiminde olmayan meyve ve sebzelerin alýnmamasý  

- Sebzelerden lahana, kereviz, havuç, kýrmýzý pançar ve maydanoza öncelik verilmesi

- Meyvelerden elma, kayýsý ve incir

- Kuru kayýsý veya incirin bir kap su içinde bekletilerek içilmesi 

- Þifalý otlarýn kulllanýlmasý

- Kepekli ve esmer ekmek kullanýlmasý

- Hergün bir diþ sarmýsak yutulmasý

- Kötü düþüncelerin akýldan silinmesi

- Ýyi ve güzel ve olumlu düþünülmesi ve konuþulmasý

Did you want this translated? I´m confused as to why it would be in the "off-topics" forum.

Anyway, here´s my attempt, do wait for corrections, as I´m just a learner.

If you didn´t want a translation, and just wanted to share this, thank you

Thank you very much, Melek...

What do you think about good health?

I think,  my friend, that good health is something I don´t think much about while I have it and something I will think a lot about when it´s gone. And then, I will wish I I took your advise from previous post

Do people in some countries eat cricket, worm, snake, Snail, frog, turtle insect, pig, etc  in the meal.

Is it true?

If so…this is a  very bad dish… How can they eat such a  dirty things, I cannot understand and imagine it?

It is very sickly and repulsive kitchen according to Turkish culture.

Is it normal?

You should learn the Turkish kitchen, Mediterranean kitchen…

Recommendable… 

Life is culture kitchen, kitchen comes first for everybody.The most important thing for daily life and harmony.

Yilgun, what is "bad, dirty, sickly and repulsive" according to Turkish culture doesn´t mean that is not normal 

I don´t know about crickets, worms, snakes and insects, but I eat pork all my life and I don´t complain or consider myself abnormal. For your information, I also tasted meals made of snails and frogs´ legs and found them very tasty 

I cannot understand and imagine how can you be so categorical and one sided in your assertings!

People in other countries eat many types of things that would be considered strange or disgusting to others.  In other cultures it is quite normal to eat insects so yes, it is normal...for them.  And for some of the poorer people of the world, they really can´t afford to be picky or worried about someone thinking what they eat is "dirty".

For me it is just a matter of personal taste.  I do not consider any of the creatures that you mention to be "dirty".  Pork is actually quite good and I have never understood where this notion comes from that it is a dirty meat. 

Personally, I find red meat to be repulsive but I would never disparage someone else because they happen to like it.

I quote some text from "Pulp fiction" movie about eating pork.

91.     INT. COFFEE SHOP - MORNING                                      91.

        Jules and Vincent sit at a booth.  In front of Vincent is a
        big stack of pancakes and sausages, which he eats with gusto.
        Jules, on the other hand, just has a cup of coffee and a
        muffin.  He seems far away in thought.  The Waitress pours a
        refill for both men,

                                  VINCENT
                       Thanks a bunch.
                            (to Jules, who´s
                              nursing his coffee)
                       Want a sausage?

                                  JULES
                       Naw, I don´t eat pork.

                                  VINCENT
                       Are you Jewish?

                                  JULES
                       I ain´t Jewish man, I just don´t
                       dig on swine.

                                  VINCENT
                       Why not?

                                  JULES
                       They´re filthy animals.  I don´t
                       eat filthy animals.

                                  VINCENT
                       Sausages taste good.  Pork chops
                       taste good.

                                  JULES
                       A sewer rat may taste like pumpkin
                       pie.  I´ll never know ´cause even
                       if it did, I wouldn´t eat the
                       filthy motherfucker.  Pigs sleep
                       and root in shit.  That´s a filthy
                       animal.  I don´t wanna eat nothin´
                       that ain´t got enough sense to
                       disregard its own feces.

                                  VINCENT
                       How about dogs?  Dogs eat their own
                       feces.

                                  JULES
                       I don´t eat dog either.

                                  VINCENT
                       Yes, but do you consider a dog to
                       be a filthy animal?

                                  JULES
                       I wouldn´t go so far as to call a
                       dog filthy, but they´re definitely
                       dirty.  But a dog´s got
                       personality.  And personality goes
                       a long way.

                                  VINCENT
                       So by that rationale, if a pig had
                       a better personality, he´s cease to
                       be a filthy animal?

                                  JULES
                       We´d have to be talkin´ ´bout one
                       motherfuckin´ charmin´ pig.  It´d
                       have to be the Cary Grant of pigs.

        The two men laugh.

Don´t you think it´s one sided not to even understand that other people might eat something you´re not used to eat? 

I didn´t say anything like that. Of course you are right. In China, they eat almost anything you can imagine and in the end they are very healty people AFAIK.

There is a saying that people in China eat anything with four legs, except the table the food is served on....

I prefer pork to beef or mutton. It always amuses me to hear poor pigs being referred to as dirty. A while ago I posted an article about e-coli bacteria to be often found in poultry. That would actually mean chicken meat is closest to faeces, not swine

What I´d consider "dirty" is anything that´s not pure meat I would never eat kidneys, brains, heart or livers, let alone guts (that´s why I find kokoreç repulsive). But that´s just my personal thing, if someone enjoys eating animal rectum, all I can say is bon appetite

Of course it´s just a cultural thing what you concern tasty and what you define as dirty. If you grew up in a society praising urine drinking, you´d be deeply convinced it´s yummy...

Editing post doesn´t help - you accused us in eating "dirty things" and it is pretty arrogant. Who said that we didn´t learn Turkish and Mediterranean kitchen? For your information, my country´s kitchen is also Mediterranean. Greek kitchen too. And I don´t think they are "sickly and repulsive". Turkihs kithcen is rich and good, but it is not the only good kitchen in the world.

Btw, what do you think, what would someone from India say to hear that some people eat the "holy" cows? Probably that they are not normal!

Uhm it´s actually small intestines; not rectum nor bowels.

As for pork; I guess iit isn´t much different than beef nowadays. But there were some very important reasons why eating pork was discouraged. (in Islam and Judaism, earlier versions of Christanity probably had it to). Pigs have far more parasites and these parasites are deadlier compared to those found in sheep and cattle.

Taenia solium: This parasite starts its life inside a pigs muscle tissue. Unlike other taenias it can form cysts in eye, brain, heart, lungs muscles etc. some of which are deadly. Even when it doesn´t cause cysts and resides in the intestines, it has appendiges to grab which other taenia lack; thus again far more harmful.

Today pigs are fed in cleaner farms and they do not resort to eating feces. Also processed products (sausages etc.) are safe. So I guess it isn´t as bad as it was in the middle ages.

i dont eat scavengers. thats all.

why dont you leave yilgun alone?

I understand why a prok-chop could kill you in the "good old days", so I understand why it was forbidden. What I don´t understand... why just pork, and not also chicken?

That is just religious conditioning. You cannot find direct answers to such questions from religious circles. Both Jews and Muslims have rather sophisticated sets of rules explaining what to eat and what not to eat. International food companies proudly indicate this point when they export foods to Islamic and Jewish countries.

The general explanation is like this (for Islam) you don´t eat the flesh of predators or any animal which feeds on its own excretion.

If you have obtained a food through illegal or unethical means regardless of what type of food it is, it is not helal to consume it.

If an animal is slaughtered by a non-muslim, or by a muslim who slaughters the animal without having a religious wash first and without asking God´s consent by repeating certain phrases, the meat of that animal is not helal.

Any sea animal other than fish is not helal.

Vegeterianism: refusing to eat meat is contrary to God´s will. However, if someone doesn´t eat meat through preference or because of a health problem. His diet is halal.

Alcohol consumption, transportation of alcoholic drinks, buying, selling and being in the company of those consuming alcohol are all haram.

In Turkey, most people don´t observe some of these rules.

 Not true of course, no Quranic basis...

I actually eat quite a bit of pork (pig).  I am half Italian and pork is a very common dish for us.  The last I checked, Italy WAS on the Mediterranean....did someone move it again? 

Yilgun - again, I find your post a bit....well...antagonistic.  People from all over the world eat many different things.  Who are you to say what is good and what is bad, what is clean and what is dirty? Your post makes you sound like a bit of a culinary snob!

Pass the bacon please!!

I guess I´ll never know Cause I´ve seen chickens eat some nasty things, including their own poo But then again, they are a cheap form of meat... if chickens would have been forbidden people´s diets would get limited.

I´ve also had discussion with muslim people on shrimps... Some say (although I highly doubt them ) that tiny shrimp are okay, but things like lobsters are not. I think it´s not an interpretation issue, but that shrimp are just not halal. I guess they just made up these exception-rule for themselves so they could eat shrimp

 Even in Saudi Arabia lots of restaurants serving shrimps and lobsters, Saudi´s eat them freely...

 I did not know this!

Someone told me it´s different in the 4 schools if seafood other than fish is allowed. Anyone?

So....scallops wrapped in bacon is definately out?  DAMN!!

Saudis are people too. Islam recognizes the fact that humans are prone to commit sins. Many points are left open for free reasoning. I have found a quotation from Mohammad which explains what the basis must be when determining what´s halal and what is haram:

If something is harmful in large quantity, even a small quantity of it is haram too. Alcohol is one such food. It is harmful in large quantity and makes you forget the word of God; so even a tiny amount of it is haram too. At least, as stated by Mohammad.

As an example to the point I made at the beginning of the paragraph, the verse in Quran can be paraphrased like this: From dates and grapes one makes several drinks some are healthy and some are harmful. Use your reasoning to find which one is halal and which one is haram.

That´s a very interesting thread, I´ve learnt a few things - thank you, Vineyards.I wasn´t aware that seafood is not considered halal or that meat must be killed by a Muslim after a ritual wash. Not that it makes a difference to my life, but, still, it is interesting. Doesn´t it mean that a very religious person may have trouble when they go abroad and have to buy meat from supermarkets? There´s little chance it is halal...

Yersu - I´ve read something to the effect of what you posted. Sounds pretty logical, doesn´t it?

recently we have had some visitors from Turkey,all involved in preparing visit as it was international consisting of 9 nationalities forgot about halal things,anyway birdy was on a duty and the visit passed smoothly as far as food was concerned.And what a pleasure was to see relief on some face´s about stuff to eat)))

btw

i have more sisters and brothers now,as most of them did not speak English I was made to babysit them)))ehhh,family is growing!!!

 is this a pain in your neck???FYI Yilgun loves me,nobody but yilgun sends me to bed in better style when I sit up late  and it is  a kind of mutual love,soooooooooo mind your own business Lemon!!!!

no, you mind your own business and cut down your sarcastic comments on yilguns innocent and cute threads.

I think we are talking about KSA which is ruled by sheria. Yes, right, Saudis are people too but they strictly follow the hadith rather than Quran, so one cannot fins any shop selling alcoholic drinks since its forbidden by their religous leader, if in any hadith tells eating seafood rather than other than fish is haram, be sure that it will be impossible to see such restaurants in thier country. In other words "eating sea food other than fish" statement is not confirmed by hadiths as well, no need to mention Quran.

As for alcohol, Quran nevers says it is haram, but it says alcoholic drinks are the work of satan, and i think it is enough to be far away from.  "haram"s are the ones which are harmful to the health and the ones that blur your mind basically.  And this is the verse you tried to mention"And of the fruits of date-palm, and grapes from which you make intoxicants, as well as wholesome sustenace. In this indeed is a message for those who use their sense."

 Awwwwwww,sensitive lemon!!!what a change!!!you really show heart from time to time....anyway yilgun does not consider my comments sarcastic as I am his only one sister...soooooooooooo .....keep away from me and him)))

I like chili con cooked by an American friend using pork but I am not particularly crazy for that kind of meat. Obviously, I am not used to eating it. Since all the foods available in this country must comform with the Islamic principles, I can say I am quite happy to eat what is available to me.

Alcohol is another such matter that I differ quite drastically from the general Islamic path. I drink a bottle of wine unless of course I am sharing it with others. I am perfectly accustomed to this routine. Once or twice a week, this much alcohol does not do any visible harm to me. I don´t even get drunk. I stay perfectly normal; just a bit happier and relaxed maybe.

Of all the items on the halal list the one that categorizes illegally and unethically obtained food as haram must be the most meaningful restriction. Though it necessitates superhuman ethics.

Helal and haram ara not limited to our diet only. Our relations with the other sex  among other things must comform too. For example, a woman who is not related or married to a man is haram to that man. It is not just hanging out together which is prohibited, they can´t even look at each other. If they do, they commit adultery. In Islam adultery does not necessarily have to be physical. You may desire a person but you must control your feelings and ask for forgiveness if that person is not halal to you. If you can´t help looking at the other sex than you commit adultery. In Islam, intentions are as important as real actions...

My goodness Vineyards, you seem to have been exposed to a particularly restrictive school of Islam.  Adultery (as defined to be punishable according to Sharia...even in Saudi) must be willful (IOW, not rape)organ to organ penetration. It has to be witnessed by 4 rightous witnesses, or you can testify against yourself, and as suicide is forbidden, you can´t do that....it is also haram.

The witnesses must actually see organ to organ penetration....Even the Saudi version of Sharia upholds this definition. The adultery you speak of is a very fine definition, like that of the Jimmy Carter playboy interview, where he said...."Christ said, I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery. I´ve looked on a lot of women with lust. I´ve committed adultery in my heart many times..."  What I am saying is the definition you give is more of a mystic interpretation, not a "regular folk" version.

I think if you are purposly looking with lust at another (male or female)...seeking them out with prurient purposes with your eyes and mind, this is of course, forbidden, but it´s not under the legal definition of adultery.

There were other things you mentioned in this thread, I´ll address them later......

It IS very difficult In Holland we have halal butchers. For a lot of muslim´s getting a piece of beef from the normal butcher isn´t enough, it has to have a halal-stamp on it. This makes it SO difficult to go out and eat with my friends. I have to find either a halal-restaurant or a restaurant with a good vegetarian dish. And when I cook at home my choices are also limited when my friends come to visit, since one is hindu and the other one is a strict muslim.

Lucky for me, my Turkish friends don´t seem to mind much. They have the rule "if it´s not pork, it´s halal" in general They state that Dutch butchers are very clean and that´s the most important thing for them.

BM - I live in a small town in Ireland so getting halal food can be a problem, I´m sure it´s easier in Dublin, Cork or Galway though. There is a halal shop here but I´ve never been there. I don´t think they sell meat there, though...

How about a Kosher shop?  Seeing as Europe is more used to dealing with Jewish communities, it´s easier to find kosher meat.  From what I´ve been taught, Muslims can eat meat slaughtered by the Kosher method as well.  Have you eaten halal meat? A interesting experiment is to do a blind test to see if you can taste the difference.  Most can.  I´ve been told there is are n enzyme that goes into the blood when the animal is slaughtered in a not halal or kosher way. 

FWIW most kosher meat can not be from thigh meat, as it has to avod the sciatic nerve.  Because it is a labor intensive process to remove the sciatic nerve, it´s not practiced outside of Israel.  Halal meat does not have that added restriction. Halal and Kosher

Here is more information regarding Halal foods.  It may seem complicated to some who do not adhere to these rules, but to those who do, it becomes second nature.  The thought of possibly eating contaminated food is too abhorant to consider alternatives.

"In 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when Captive Bolt Stunning (CBS) was used.   This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering"

Additionaly, I´d like to point out the fact that the Captive Bolt Stunning method was found to cause brain matter to be dispersed throughout other parts of the animal´s body.  Brain matter is the part that can cause JCB or human mad cow disease.  

"If humans eat diseased tissue from cattle, they may develop the human form of mad cow disease known as variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) or new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (nvCJD). The disease was named after the researchers who first identified the classic condition. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in its classic form usually occurs in older people through an inherited tendency of the brain to change or spontaneously for no apparent reason. The type identified as occurring from eating diseased cattle occurs in younger people and has atypical clinical features, with prominent psychiatric or sensory symptoms at the time of clinical presentation and delayed onset of neurologic abnormalities. These neurologic abnormalities include ataxia within weeks or months, dementia (loss of memory and confusion) and myoclonus late in the illness, a duration of illness of at least 6 months, and a diffusely abnormal non-diagnostic electroencephalogram.  

The transmissible agents that cause the disease in both cattle and humans are “prions.” Prions are not like bacteria or viruses that cause other infectious diseases; rather, they are infectious proteins. 

Diseased prions are found in the brain, spinal cord, eye (in the retina), and other tissues of the nervous system of affected animals or humans. In addition, prions can be found outside the nervous system including the bone marrow, spleen, and lymph nodes. Low levels of prions may also be found in blood.

Prions are highly resistant to heat, ultraviolet light, radiation, and disinfectants that normally kill viruses and bacteria. Prions may infect humans who eat meat from infected cattle. Even cooking meat infected with BSE does not eliminate the prions or the risk.

Once infection occurs, there is a long incubation period that typically lasts several years. When prions reach a critical level in the brain, symptoms such as depression, difficulty walking, and dementia occur and progress rapidly. "

As for pigs....

Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.   The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.

Pigs are susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. They have small lungs in relation to body size; for this reason, bronchitis or pneumonia can kill a pig quickly.  There is concern that pigs may allow animal viruses such as influenza or Ebola Reston to infect humans more easily. Some strains of influenza are endemic in pigs (see Swine influenza), and pigs also can acquire human influenza."

Given this information, I see no reason for consuming this product....better safe than sorry...What is the saying..."you are what you eat" ?

There is also debate regarding weather the slaughter is halal or kosher if it was not done by hand one by one, seeing as some places started using recordings and mechanical methods to do the slaughter.  Now many halal butchers have a sign up saying the meat they sell is not of that type.  It´s interesting how new technology is brought into tradtional methods.

Alameda - no, nothing Kosher here as well. Actually the number or traditional Jews (in terms of clothes) is gretly smaller (if present at all) to the number of burqa/scarf wearing Muslims. I know clothes doesn´t mean they eat Kosher/Halal food or not, just an observation.

It would be interesting to see the difference between halal/haram meat. Too bad I hardly ever eat beef so probably I wouldn´t make a good tester anyway

"You are what you eat" - probably means your food shows what region you come for, ie people at the seaside are more likely to have a better choice of eating seafood and fish then those from deserts Besides, pigs are neither dirty not stupid. I´m not going to argue whether it´s better to eat pork or beef, as for me it´s merely a matter of taste. And no, nobody will ever convince me that mussels are good

Very interesting article, thanks!  It still doesn´t encourage me to eat them.  I´m not talking about their intellegence or habits, but their flesh certainly is not clean. The fact that they don´t sweat means those toxins that might be eliminated through sweat, is not released and it stays in the system. 

Anyway, did you read the list of things pigs harbour?  It´s your choice what you eat, I don´t eat pig, I also am not particularly fond of beef...or any meat for that matter, but I have to eat to stay alive, so I eat kosher or halal lamb, goat and fish....and lots of veggies, grains  and beans. I try as hard as I can to see that what I eat was harvested ethically, that the animal had a good life, rather than the horrid caged chemicaly compromised lives some domestic animals live.

Meet your meat  <----------< this is a very difficult video to watch.....I don´t want to eat an animal who was subjected to this.  I doubt many would be able to actually watch the whole thing......and I certainly would not consider meat produced under these conditions halal or kosher......

Eating low on the food chain is recommended these days.

Alameda - I won´t even try to take a look at that video as I may guess what is there. And it boils my blood just to think about cruelty towards animals (and people, of course). I have read the list of diseases pigs may have that´s why I´d never buy meat from a street stall or a place that is not under veterinary and hygienic control. Surely, I am aware that no safety measures can guarantee the meat is 100% free from all germs, yet, as I am not a material for a farmer, I have to buy meat somewhere. Like I said, it´s nothing religious for me, it´s merely the taste that makes me buy pork, but in general, if I have a choice between chicken and pork, I go for the the former Like you, I´m not a great fan of meat, I could easily live without it. Too bad it would mean cooking it anyway as Mr Daydreamer will anything as long as it´s meat For me, all food could be chocolate

Ah yes....

let it be ethically harvested chocolate.......Did Child Slaves Harvest Your Latest Chocolate Treat?

geeez, is there any food that´s safe to eat, tasty and obtained in a non-abusive manner? *DD is considering giving up eating and living off cigarette smoke* ahm...what? tobacco collected by children? aaarrgghh

I´m making light of this but it is actually scary to read about how disadvantaged some people are just because they were born in a particular place

* The body and the mind speak different languages. Humans ara both carnivorous and herbivorous. Our digestive system was designed to extract nourishment from both sources.

* We are clever, cruel and treacherous creatures. This is evident in the ways we obtain our food relatively effortlessly.

* Our mind perceives a different sort of human cliché;  the one that goes to the moon, wins Oscars or Nobel prizes and engages himself/herself with charity.

I agree......although I think it´s more to do with a particular economic class rather than a place.  You know, the rich get richer.... syndrom?...............and you know smoking isn´t good for you either...of course. I have to admit....I miss them myselves.  Saw a film with Bette Davis the other day and it was amazing to see all the smoking in the film....Dark Victory

Hollywood paid fortune to smoke

It´s just a case of being aware and asking questions regarding what we consume.  What, Where, How...same ol same ol....we just seem to forget sometimes.

 There are WAY more Muslims in Holland then there are Jews And I think a lot of countries also have a very limited number of Jewish people. Only in areas with stricter Jewish communities can you find a Kosher butcher. For example, the diamond-area in Antwerp (Belgium). To be honest, I know a bunch of halal butchers in my city and the city where I work. I don´t know of any kosher butcher... So, in Holland it´s harder to find kosher meat instead of halal meat, but I guess you could eat both, since for both a prayer is said and such...

from my observations halal butchers are dirty. i dont know where do they take the idea of cleanness?

full of flies, blood full floors, animals dead or not together in one room. butchers and their assistants in dirty clothes spitting on every step. so disgusting.

james (that famous chef) was visiting one of the new york halal restaurants, and of course there was a sight of a butcher shop. i was appaled by his ignorance. if this was about one of the supermarkets he would give a negative comment, but for the sake of political correctness he acted as if things are normal.

eh, dont be offended, just sharing my opinion.

no more chocolates for you. high time to quit smoking. do you wear cotton? do you have any idea how its grown and collected? you should now think before you put on yourself a cotton.

do you have any idea how your clothes are made?

Harika, what does it leave me? I should be a naked, non-smoking, non-eating DD. Well, at least for a few weeks till I die (is drinking tap water ok? ). Or maybe I´ll shave my head bald and become a Buddhist monk? Oh, no can do, too much spirituality in there. Damn! no hope for me, I´m going out to have a smoke

Not really, Muslims could eat the kosher, but the Jewish people could not eat the halal as kosher laws are stricter than halal laws regarding meats.

Move to a farm house and feed some sheep! We used to feed some, they are so friendly and cute animals. Of course it is kinda sad seeing them die, blood gushing out of their throat and whatnot..

A lot of Turkish children have some traumatic experience where they keep a small lamb for a year and befriend him, only to see it beheaded with ritual sacrifice. I used to think this was terrible but now I think it´s a great experience.

I grew up with chickens, ducks and rabbits.  My father used to hunt as well....so I used to have to deal with the pheasants, deer that he caught.  He felt the animal had a chance.  He even had a special dogs to get the birds.  The dog would point, then flush the birds out on signal...and go pick it up very gently and bring it back.

As a child I used to "play" with the rabbits.  Not really play, but I learned to wiggle my nose by looking at them.  Chickens were pretty, but not nice. I can do a perfect imitation of chickens. I think it gives you more respect for the circle of life. At least you have more knowledge where meat comes from and learn to respect.

I never had a lamb.  I did have some ducks, mallard ducks with beautiful iridescent green feathers. One day they went in the back yard to get them.....it was very upsettng.  I think a lamb must be more difficult.

Even today, I grow a lot of food I eat. Nothing big, just some greens, and seasonal things.  When you plant seeds, water and tend to things it give you more of an appreciation.  I´ve even got a bunch of mushrooms growing.

Oh, yes, sorry, I should have been more specific As a Muslim you could eat kosher meat. But I´m not 100% sure if it´s true because of the requirements of the prayer that is said.

By the way, that meat has a halal stamp isn´t a guarantee that the animal has been treated well nowadays. I´ve seen videos of a halal chickenmeat factory. The same machines for killing the chickens was used. The only difference was, that in a normal facory chickens are sedated first (often through electric shock, after this they don´t feel the cut), in the halal factory they are not. And the prayer in the halal factory is one a tape, that is played on a loop on speakers throughout the cutting-area. I think people have lost the whole point of halal meat there...

By the way, for the ones eating chocolate and wearing clothes (I think that´s most of the people on here, except for the few naked anti-chocolate people here). It IS possible to eat "good". There´s a chocolate bar called "Tony Chocolonely" which is guaranteed "slave free". It was created after a guy tried to sue himself for eating chocolate, while he was aware of it being created with the help of modern-day slavery. I think there are some other brands of chocolate who can give the same guarantee, just google a bit and you´ll be able to eat without guilt And clothes are even easier to have checked out. Get organic cotton brands, and often you can also check out where and how garments are made

I think I mentioned the fact that many halal butchers here have a sign stateing that the meat they carry has been hand slaughtered, rather than the mechanical recorded type.  Also, they also sell grass fed, none hormone treated meats.  I don´t buy any other type.  It probably depends on the area one is in.  I´m in the SF Bay area, so there is a greater demand for this type of product here.

http://www.stopthetraffik.org/news/press/nestle.aspx (in several languages, including Turkish)

http://www.stopthetraffik.org/chocolateDownloads/chocolate_guide.pdf

The Fairtrade logo is a good guide too.

The list of chocolate manufacturers may not be exhaustive from a global point of view, but I´m sure there will be similar lists for different parts of the world.

Greene and Black´s Maya Gold is superb

Products are usually marked if suitable for vegetarians too.

MOST HEALTHY FOODS – EN SAĞLIKLI YİYECEKLER

(An advice)

 -Olive -  zeytin

-Olive oil -  zeytinyağı

-Tea, Green Tea – yeşil çay

-Grape - üzüm

-Dry grape – kuru üzüm

-Tomato - domates

-Broccoli - brokoli

-Onion - soğan

-Garlic - sarmısak

-Fish- Sardine, Som –Somon- balık eti

-Cabbage - lahana

-Red Beet – kırmızı pancar

-Chard - pazı

-Spinach - ıspanak

-Egg - yumurta

-Meat-Veal, etc- kırmızı et

-Milk - süt

-Plum- Dry plum- erik

-Water, water after acidic beverage-su, asitli içecekten sonra su

- C , E vitamins

 Also, it´s good to drink this beer is ok, yay! good for bones

But don´t drink too much of this  cola and other fizzy sugary drinks is not good  too much can cause pancreatic cancer

this is also good advice for parents!

Water and vitamins are not ´food´ - but if you are including vitamins, what´s wrong with Vitamins A, B, B-complex and K?  Red meat and eggs are only ´healthy´ in small amounts.

Very true Lemon.  I once watched this environmental health series on TV and they secretly filmed a restaurant where the majority of the workers were Muslims, and they were caught washing their feet in the sink where they wash the dishes.  How filthy is that?? 

  Tasty....