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20.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 12:30 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i think you often write things you dont fully understand. yes civilizations come and go. humans stay, but they have no link to the past except for the historical evidences like scrolls or remains of their existence.

as i have said those who today live in the land of egypt have nothing to do with copts who built piramides and lebanese have nothing to do with phonecians. why do i state so? because they have nothing common with them, they dont speak the same language, the dont eat the same food, they dont practise the same religion. the link was lost. end of story.

but i doubt if you understand such simple things.

 

 Actually, you are, as usual, wrong....

 

"Blood typing and DNA sampling on ancient Egyptian mummies is scant; however, blood typing of dynastic mummies found ABO frequencies to be most similar to modern Egyptians..."

 

and....

 

"Analyses of the Y chromosomal data revealed the presence of at least seven related genetic lineages from places around the Mediterranean Sea where Phoenicians had lived.

These lineages suggest that the Phoenicians contributed their genes to at least six percent of the modern populations of historic Phoenician trading outposts.

"Our findings suggest that the Phoenicians left behind a genetic legacy that persists till modern times," Tyler-Smith said."

 

 

and on Jewish DNA

 

The earlier study, led by Dr. Michael Hammer of University of Arizona, showed from an analysis of the male, or Y chromosome, that Jewish men from seven communities were related to one another and to present-day Palestinian and Syrian populations, but not to the men of their host communities.

21.       CANLI
5084 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 12:35 am

 

Quoting cedars

 

 

 As far as i am concerned Khalil Gibran was a painter !

And words were his brush

Obedient one, used it any way he liked to paint the most beautiful paintings that you may may feel yourself exactly where he wanted

You dont just read his poems, you swim within in that lovely world he is taking you too.

Ý love Gibran, he was one of the poets that taught me to read,feel,understand Þiir.

22.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 12:44 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i think you often write things you dont fully understand. yes civilizations come and go. humans stay, but they have no link to the past except for the historical evidences like scrolls or remains of their existence.

as i have said those who today live in the land of egypt have nothing to do with copts who built piramides and lebanese have nothing to do with phonecians. why do i state so? because they have nothing common with them, they dont speak the same language, the dont eat the same food, they dont practise the same religion. the link was lost. end of story.

but i doubt if you understand such simple things.

 

 How about this femm.....

 

"The probability is high that each of us shares a common ancestor within the last 500 years, and almost certainly within the past 1000 years.

 

If any one of the 2,097,152 people in your own family tree (since 150 had not existed, or had been a different individual, then you would not exist, or would only partially exist, metaphysically, as part of a completely different human being.

 

"In the end, we truly ARE all brothers and sisters of one great, extended family." - Rick Perez, 2001"

 

 So....sister.....{#lang_emotions_cool}

23.       cedars
235 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 01:54 pm

 

interesting, there are not many people who think like me what church? there are many churches.

The maronite mainly since he was maronite.

His museum is now in a monastrey Mar sarkis. he always wanted

to buy it from the fransiscan brothers and after his death Gibran foundation was able to buy it for him and he was burried there. The one who has no roots has no tomorrow didnt someone say that!

 

yes, they do. i dont deny it. thats understandable after what they got through nearly 5 thousands years of their existance as israelis.

 

That is great, we agreed on this at least.

However since you find a reason for them for having a victim complex, you might try to understand why other opressed people  might have the same victim complex no!?

 

when egypt (with the help of russia), syria, jordan and decided attacked israel USA stayed away, because russians told them if they were involving into this war russians will fully engage which may result in 3rd world war, therefore they left israel to itself to win the war.

You really believe that the US stayed away and her airforce didnt participate!!!

seriously!

 

its not only lebanon i had on mind. even when you bring the statistics i dont think lebanese are greatly educated since we havent seen any bright lebanese scientist contributing to humankind.

 

 

If you do not know of any that doesnt mean they do not exist.

 

Below are few names of lebanese world known scientists and their contribution to humanity.The wikipedia link below has some more.


You will be amazed to know that you can watch TV (TV transmission invention) due to the invention of a lebanese " and his work is patented in the US

 

Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah
Inventor
Among the patents were reported innovations in television transmission


Elias Corey, organic chemistry professor at Harvard University and 1990 Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry
"for his development of the theory and methodology of organic synthesis", specifically retrosynthetic analysis"

 

Michael Debakey - doctor and heart surgeon

"invented the roller pump, the significance of which was not realized until 20 years later, when it became an essential component of the heart-lung machine"

 

Nassim Nicholas Taleb - Philosopher of randomness, researcher, and veteran practitioner of financial mathematics
"black swan theory of unexpected rare events"

 

and the list goes on in all fields

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lebanese_people

 

 the land that once was empty and abandoned today is blooming and the only democracy in the middle east.

The land was not empty as you said and there are UN reports of how many villages were destroyed and how meople displaced in 1948.

 

Second, how can you call it a democracy when there are 2 ranks of israeli citizens, israeli jews rank 1st and israeli non jews rank 2nd. Israeli druze for example serve in the israeli army and have members in the knesset and not matter how devoute they are and show their loyalty to the state of israel it sill considers them 2nd rank citizens and favors jews. tell me how you be called this democracy!!

I can send you a link with the israeli druze knesset member saying exactly this unfortunately it is in arabic.

 

If this is democracy then I understand nothing in politics.

theres no war between you and israel and why should you fight back? 

 

Israel still occupies Shiba´a farms, a lebanese territories. Again refer to the UN maps and you will clearly see it always was lebanese land.

So as long as our land is occupied we will fight back.

 

 

i dont think french mandate was bad. it helped you to become more civilized,

You sound like the french right  wing who were trying to pass a law in 2005 about the "positive value of colonialism"  Luckily enough the law was repealed.

 

You should read Aimé Césaire, (Discours sur le colonialisme, 195.

 

"Colonization, I repeat it, dehumanizes  man even the most civilized one; [..] the colonial action, the colonial business, the colonial conquest, based on the contempt of the native man and justified by this contempt,tries to inevitably  modify the one who adopts it; [..] the colonizing one, that, to give itself good conscience, gets used to see in the other the beast, trains to treat it as beast, tends objectively at the end to transform himself into beast"

 

" La colonisation, je le répète, déshumanise l’homme même le plus civilisé ; [...] l’action coloniale, l’entreprise coloniale, la conquête coloniale, fondée sur le mépris de l’homme indigène et justifiée par ce mé­pris, tend inévitablement à modifier celui qui l’entreprend ; [...] le colonisateur, qui, pour se donner bonne conscience, s’habitue à voir dans l’autre la bête, s’entraîne à le traiter en bête, tend objectivement à se transformer lui-­même en bête. »

 

 

 

24.       cedars
235 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 02:01 pm

 

Quoting kafesteki kush

 

And the fact that he was faithful to his real love  Merry Haskel,although they could not be together,she took big part of his life being his support in his bad times and his muse.

His love letters are stunning{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Mary haskell played a big role in his life. She helped him publish his work and later she took part of buying the monastrey I think for his museum.  The loved letters are very nice.

 

Also later in Gibran´s life, May ziadeh´s  had an effecnt on his writtings. They exchanged ideas and also love letters. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Ziade

They are published under  ISBN-13: 978-1851681068

 

As they say "chercher la femme", search for the woman

 

25.       kafesteki kush
104 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 03:11 pm

Gibran is universal,he belongs to the world now.I would be delighted if you could post anything from Lebanese poetry..to tell the truth I heard only about Waadih Sa´adeh

I know misterious sky by him .Thank you in advance)

26.       cedars
235 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 03:39 pm

 

Quoting kafesteki kush

Gibran is universal,he belongs to the world now.I would be delighted if you could post anything from Lebanese poetry..to tell the truth I heard only about Waadih Sa´adeh

I know misterious sky by him .Thank you in advance)

 

That is the beauty of litterature and arts, it goes beyond borders of continents, religions and beliefs. Gibran is universal as you said.

 

The most famous lebanese poets are the ones along with Gibran established the New york Pen league. Mikhail Naimy was one of them and he was the first to publish Gibran´s biography, also there was Iliya abou madhi and Ameen Rihani.

I havent heard of  wadih saadeh, thanks for the info. I check his website and it is really nice.

 

 

Here is a link to Rihani´s website with some of his poems in english.

http://www.ameenrihani.org

 

Whirl, whirl, whirl
Till the world is the size of a pearl.

Dance, dance, dance
Till the world´s like the point of a lance.

Soar, soar, soar
Till the world is no more.

A CHANT OF MYSTICS

 

I am the East,
I am the corner stone
Of the first temple of God
And the first throne of Humanity...

I am the East,
I possess philosophies and creeds
So who would exchange them with me for technology

HYMNS OF THE VALLEYS
(Hutaf-ul Awdiya)

 

My wish is to live without disliking anyone,
To love without being jealous of anyone,
To rise without being elevated over anyone, and
To advance without stepping on anyone or becoming envious of those above me

THE RIHANI ESSAYS
(Ar Rihaniyat
)

 

 

27.       kafesteki kush
104 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 07:53 pm

 thanx for info,really interesting

ps.In your fiery debate with femme you mentioned TV as lebanese invention?

Strange ,I was taught TV system was invented by 14 year old American ingenious boy Philo Farnsworth...

well ,if the child is excellent many may hold being its fathers{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

Quoting cedars

That is the beauty of litterature and arts, it goes beyond borders of continents, religions and beliefs. Gibran is universal as you said.

 

The most famous lebanese poets are the ones along with Gibran established the New york Pen league. Mikhail Naimy was one of them and he was the first to publish Gibran´s biography, also there was Iliya abou madhi and Ameen Rihani.

I havent heard of  wadih saadeh, thanks for the info. I check his website and it is really nice.

 

 

Here is a link to Rihani´s website with some of his poems in english.

http://www.ameenrihani.org

 

Whirl, whirl, whirl
Till the world is the size of a pearl.

Dance, dance, dance
Till the world´s like the point of a lance.

Soar, soar, soar
Till the world is no more.

A CHANT OF MYSTICS

 

I am the East,
I am the corner stone
Of the first temple of God
And the first throne of Humanity...

I am the East,
I possess philosophies and creeds
So who would exchange them with me for technology

HYMNS OF THE VALLEYS
(Hutaf-ul Awdiya)

 

My wish is to live without disliking anyone,
To love without being jealous of anyone,
To rise without being elevated over anyone, and
To advance without stepping on anyone or becoming envious of those above me

THE RIHANI ESSAYS
(Ar Rihaniyat
)

 

 

28.       cedars
235 posts
 30 Jan 2009 Fri 11:26 am

 

Quoting kafesteki kush

 thanx for info,really interesting

ps.In your fiery debate with femme you mentioned TV as lebanese invention?

Strange ,I was taught TV system was invented by 14 year old American ingenious boy Philo Farnsworth...

well ,if the child is excellent many may hold being its fathers{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

He did not invent the  TV system but rather his work was on the transmission of TV signal.

"he was engaged in mathematical and experimental research, principally on rectifiers and inverters and he received 43 patents covering his work. Among the patents were reported innovations in television transmission"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Kamel_Al-Sabbah

 

 

 

 

29.       kafesteki kush
104 posts
 30 Jan 2009 Fri 11:47 am

 

Quoting cedars

He did not invent the  TV system but rather his work was on the transmission of TV signal.

"he was engaged in mathematical and experimental research, principally on rectifiers and inverters and he received 43 patents covering his work. Among the patents were reported innovations in television transmission"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Kamel_Al-Sabbah

 

 aha,good to know{#lang_emotions_smile}

30.       femmeous
2642 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 12:35 pm

 you have stolen my post.

but i want to add this:

 

Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah (August 16, 1895 - March 31, 1935) was an electrical and electronics research engineer, mathematician and inventor. He was born in Nabatieh, Lebanon. He studied at the American University of Beirut. He taught mathematics at Imperial College of Damascus, Syria, and at the American University of Beirut. He died in an automobile accident at Lewis near Elizabeth Town, N.Y.

In 1921, he travelled to the United States and for a short time studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before joining the University of Illinois in 1923. He entered the vacuum tube section of the Engineering Laboratory of the General Electric Company at Schenectady N.Y. in 1923 where

Quoting cedars

he was engaged in mathematical and experimental research, principally on rectifiers and inverters and he received 43 patents covering his work. Among the patents were reported innovations in television transmission"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Kamel_Al-Sabbah

 

 amerika, and again amerika. no amerika - no engagement to the science.

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