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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Feb 2009 Tue 10:51 pm

First of al the news:


http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLF300008
It is basically about:

Police clashed with thousands of Kurdish protesters and arrested 86 of them as they demonstrated in southeastern Turkey on Sunday to mark the 10th anniversary of the capture of separatist leader Abdullah Ocalan.

 

Than the picture:

 

 

Do you know what they are doing here?


Police is checking the boys hands, if there are any ´trace of stones´ (because those young boys 10,12,14 years old threw stones to police)

 

They are arresting those kids if they see some..

 

And the prosecuters have right to ask a jail sentance for the minors from 23 years to 40 years.
Apperantly 19 minors  are in jail and still in the court from last years events.

 

We all have saddened about palestinian childeren.

Many Turks felt the same anger about Israel´s actions..

But what about these?

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

 



Edited (2/17/2009) by thehandsom
Edited (2/17/2009) by thehandsom

2.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 06:49 pm

This is such a fine example of comparison handsom. You couldn´t highlight the similarities better. You hit the bull straight in the eye with your fins logic once again.

 

Thanks again for another deeply thoughtful post. You are a true intellectual.

Quoting thehandsom

First of al the news:


http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLF300008
It is basically about:

Police clashed with thousands of Kurdish protesters and arrested 86 of them as they demonstrated in southeastern Turkey on Sunday to mark the 10th anniversary of the capture of separatist leader Abdullah Ocalan.

 

Than the picture:

 

 

Do you know what they are doing here?


Police is checking the boys hands, if there are any ´trace of stones´ (because those young boys 10,12,14 years old threw stones to police)

 

They are arresting those kids if they see some..

 

And the prosecuters have right to ask a jail sentance for the minors from 23 years to 40 years.
Apperantly 19 minors  are in jail and still in the court from last years events.

 

We all have saddened about palestinian childeren.

Many Turks felt the same anger about Israel´s actions..

But what about these?

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

 

 

 

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 11:41 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

This is such a fine example of comparison handsom. You couldn´t highlight the similarities better. You hit the bull straight in the eye with your fins logic once again.

 

Thanks again for another deeply thoughtful post. You are a true intellectual.

 

 

 

I was trying to find an answer to ´what kind of logic and conscience we have´ and somehow you gave me the answer..

 

The real question was, ´why nobody is giving a thing to childeren being jailed for 40 years for stone throwing´.

Of course, killing childeren one of the most disgusting crimes (as it happened in Gazza and we all condemned it)..

But what about jailing childeren for 40 years for just throwing stones? 

Jailing a 12 years old kids for 40 years is ´just slightly´ better than killing childeren. is it not? 

You have a conscience ´A´ for Palestinians and conscience ´B´ for Kurds? 

Anyway, I dont want to go into deeper into this topic (as I am a´bit angry´ about it)..

I just wanted to share the news..

 

And next time, please try to say a few words about the topic rather than trying to get personal and up close (and praise me).. 

 

4.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 01:05 am

Are you sure the children got 40 years for throwing a stone?

5.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 01:06 am

Your link to the article does not seem to work. So, I couldn´t read the article you are referring to. Who are the 12 year olds that got 40 years of jail for throwing stones?

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 01:37 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Your link to the article does not seem to work. So, I couldn´t read the article you are referring to. Who are the 12 year olds that got 40 years of jail for throwing stones?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLF300008

 

I never said that they GOT 40 years jail.. Please read carefully..

Some sources for you in Turkish:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/11026830.asp?yazarid=91

A year ago (about how many years the prosecuters asked for the kids)

http://www.hurriyet.de/haberle.......r-yil-ceza-istendi

 

Another one 

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=761018

Another one (this gives you some convictions )

http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/2009/02......C902D152E4BEB87F911791032E893.html

 

this one is about how we have been convicted by the EU Court of Human Rights (because of convictions of childeren)

http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/2009/02/06/..F8E5C7C83491BDE7A.html

This one is about ´what the lawyers are saying about taking childeren into heavy crime courts´:

http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/2009/02/06//.....F34E975937FEFF.html

 

 



Edited (2/19/2009) by thehandsom [added the links]
Edited (2/19/2009) by thehandsom
Edited (2/19/2009) by thehandsom

7.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 03:53 am

So why are you suggesting 12 year olds got 40 years then...

 Regarding reading carefully, your orignial post with the link to the article did not work.

So please post carefully...

 

8.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 04:00 am

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

 

The above quote is from your original post by the way...

 

 



Edited (2/19/2009) by cynicmystic

9.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:59 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

 

The above quote is from your original post by the way...

 

 

 

 I think it´s important to read theH´s post in full to get the correct meaning:

 

Quote: thehandsom

Do you know what they are doing here?


Police is checking the boys hands, if there are any ´trace of stones´ (because those young boys 10,12,14 years old threw stones to police)

 

They are arresting those kids if they see some..

 

And the prosecuters have right to ask a jail sentance for the minors from 23 years to 40 years.
Apperantly 19 minors  are in jail and still in the court from last years events.

 

We all have saddened about palestinian childeren.

Many Turks felt the same anger about Israel´s actions..

But what about these?

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

I think it´s clear that theH is talking about the possibility of such long jail sentences ie. if the prosecutors get their way.

 

I think the comparison with the plight of children in Gaza was misguided but I understand the point he is trying to make. 

 

If the prosecutors "have the right" does that mean they have actually asked for such long sentences? 

 

If the authorities were using last year´s arrests and detentions as a deterrent, seems it didn´t work. 



Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain

10.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 06:19 pm

I disagree with you on having to read handsom´s posts carefully simply because I consider this fellow poser (sorry I meant poster) to be extremely biased. I detest the logic of illogicality in most of his posts and arguments. I also find his tone, in most occasions, but particularly in this one, rather  insincere. His choice of words are on purpose ´charged´.  If I may take an excursion into crudity, I have noticed that it is his fine specialty to post things for the purpose of ´stirring shit´.

 

He probably knows perfectly well that the article he posted does not have much to do with the Gaza issue. He could have simply posted the article and objected to the fact that the prosecuter may be asking 25-40 years for 12 year olds, which would have been perfectly fine. I think it would be unfair to impose such harsh terms on children, but also think that they will not receive such a harsh sentence even if the prosecutors ask for it. Additionally, he posts a picture with the children showing their hands in the presence of another adult, where there are a couple of cops standing by. Then we are told that the cops are looking for traces of stones in their hands. Although he takes the time to sum up the article for us and add the picture, the link to the article in his original post does not work. So, I have to ask for it.

 

If the original article suggested that the cops were looking for traces of stones in the children´s hands, then we can all assume that this is very poor journalism, as I don´t think anyone is dumb enough to think that stones leave marks in one´s hands.

 

His post lacks coherence in other ways, too. Aside from the irrelevance of the issue to the Gaza misery, and the bogus journalism of suggesting that the Turkish cops are looking for marks or evidence of stones in children´s hands, handsom´s argument completely side-steps the fact that you will be arrested in any country, if you throw stones at the police. You will also be charged with many things ranging from assaulting a police officer, illegal protest etc, and in most cases the prosecuter will always go for the highest charges knowing well that the final decree of the judge will be way below what the prosecuter seeked in the first place - especially in a cese like this one.

 

I am not against handsom or anyone else criticizing Turkey and its policies. I criticize them myself, and disagree with many things that happen in Turkey, just as I criticize many other countries and their policies. But, I do try to be impartial. When handsom learns how to post things on the politics section without being biased and without attempting to ´stir shit´ deliberately, then I will take him seriously.

Quoting peacetrain

 

 

 I think it´s important to read theH´s post in full to get the correct meaning:

 

Quote: thehandsom

Do you know what they are doing here?


Police is checking the boys hands, if there are any ´trace of stones´ (because those young boys 10,12,14 years old threw stones to police)

 

They are arresting those kids if they see some..

 

And the prosecuters have right to ask a jail sentance for the minors from 23 years to 40 years.
Apperantly 19 minors  are in jail and still in the court from last years events.

 

We all have saddened about palestinian childeren.

Many Turks felt the same anger about Israel´s actions..

But what about these?

25-40 year jail sentence for childeren? 

Just for throwing stones?

I think it´s clear that theH is talking about the possibility of such long jail sentences ie. if the prosecutors get their way.

 

I think the comparison with the plight of children in Gaza was misguided but I understand the point he is trying to make. 

 

If the prosecutors "have the right" does that mean they have actually asked for such long sentences? 

 

If the authorities were using last year´s arrests and detentions as a deterrent, seems it didn´t work. 

 

 

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