not reponding to this until you answer my question, þahanem

Actually

I saw in one my posts and it explains this 

´we did not do anything wrong..western powers trying to play political tricks´ in one of the earlier threads: 

..Many Turks believe that there are so many evil powers in the world, and in our own society that perpetually play tricks in order to weaken our country. ..... 
Since a belief in conspiracies is deeply embedded in culture, politicians use them very often. Most political leaders, or pundits, blame foreign powers or internal enemies for our problems. .... It is always someone else who must be guilty. 

In this case we have found the guilty parties as UK and Germany

Rude? What the hell are you talking about being rude, man?

I think it is her that needs to stop it.

Don´t pretend not to understand what i am talking about.

Is it ok for her to be rude and disruptive all over the place like schizo?

What am I lying? We were having a decent thread, right?

Go tell her to stop... being so rude.

 Mmmm, nope...not quite actually!

Ý mean yes of course you answered my question about if they take part of Türkiye or not

But you still insist that they are Kurd, not Turk

Then how come they are citizen of Türkiye and they are not Turk ?

The citizen of Türkiye name is Turk..as the citizen of US name is American for example, and all people inside the US even they have other roots, but still their name is Americans

So how do you say they are not Turk and at same time they are citizen of Türkiye ?!

 i dont think he was rude

dont you see? he loves me. my presence turns him on.

Ý cant believe it !

Dont tell me you are going to start it all over again !

Please, keep it to the topic and dont get personal ... we are talking in politics forum then let´s keep it to politics.

You are missing the point. Every single country that has a foreign service (intelligence service) makes use of the same discusting tactics of manipulation. They meddle in the affirs of other countries and attempt to manipulate the outcome in accordance with their national interests. It is part of the game. Turkish secret service does its own dirty work just tlike the CIA or the MI6 or Mosad. This is how international relations are shaped behind the scenes - through manipulation, and state-sponsored terrorism. The involvement of Britain & Germany does not make them guilty nor does it implicate that every person that was part of those governemnts were part of the game. All I am saying is that this is not a black-and-white matter as you make out to be. It is complex, and many players are involved. This is not about right or wrong either. It is just the nature of the game. It is part of the game to hit below the belt, as long as you don´t get caught and cause an international scandal.  

They are KURDS..

OK that is number one..

They are not Turks..they dont call themselves TURKS..

It is their basic right to call themselves KURDS..That is the point you fail to undertand..

IT IS THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS..

Turk refers to ethnicity..so as Kurds..

They dont want to call themselves TURK..

There is an thnic group it is called KURDS..

WHY WOULD THEY?

I deleted your post - why do you have to resort to schoolboy level smut?  It´s not very intellectual is it? 

..........but don´t you agree much of that has changed in the recent years?Why don´t you give credit to the changes? It seems you are constantly harping on things of the past instead of recognizing improvements.

Creating a Kurdistan state, as I see it, it opens a new can of worms like another ethnic state in the Levant.....so how would one qualify as a citizen of Kurdistan? Would there be DNA tests...what about the other ethnicities in the area?

How about the Turkomen or the Zazas?Will we have another Palestine/Jewish issue in the area? Have you looked at the maps of Armenia and Kurdistan and maybe noticed they overlap....particularly in the areas of waterfront property and water resources?

Then there are the PKK attacks...the name mutates....the goal is the same...which to me looks like a destabilization tactic (which exactly who is behind I don´t know) of the area...(divide and rule...old game. I wonder how many Kurds actually support them?) What do response do you propose?

Wait, wait now you are mixing things

Being in an ethnic group called Kurd is fine, ok, as being in an ethinic group called greek, Arabs,..whatever

But the citizen of Türkiye called Turk

When a British obtain the Turkish citizenship he will be called Turk

So if they are citizen of Türkiye then they also will be called Turk.

How come you or they refused to be called Turk ?

They can be called Turk with Kurd ethnicity but they will be called Turk as Americans called Americans as Egyptians called Egyptians and so on.