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440.       lemon
1374 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 11:26 pm

dear friends, did you notice my post? have you watched it?

 

can you believe that it is a reality? reality in UK education and parenting!

 

I want everyone´s feedback {#emotions_dlg.shy}

441.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:45 am

 

Quoting lemon

dear friends, did you notice my post? have you watched it?

 

can you believe that it is a reality? reality in UK education and parenting!

 

I want everyone´s feedback {#emotions_dlg.shy}

 

which post?

442.       lemon
1374 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 09:13 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

which post?

 

this one:

 

Discovered an interesting programme "the strictest parents of the world".

loving it.

recommend it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC3ProgrammesInHD#p/u/136/5E-W6ktuJhA

 

443.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 10:32 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

this one:

 

Discovered an interesting programme "the strictest parents of the world".

loving it.

recommend it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC3ProgrammesInHD#p/u/136/5E-W6ktuJhA

 

 

I think this is going from one horrible parenting to another, the kids are not seen as individuals and actually spent time with and talked to in either case. The only positive thing in this project I think is that the over-priviliged, spoilt, ignorant people get to see how most of the world lives.

444.       lemon
1374 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 11:31 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I think this is going from one horrible parenting to another, the kids are not seen as individuals and actually spent time with and talked to in either case. The only positive thing in this project I think is that the over-priviliged, spoilt, ignorant people get to see how most of the world lives.

 

Ok, I agree with your first point.

 

those children whom you call spoilt and ignorant are the products of decaying secular europe with no moral values. Do whatever you wish to do. the reality is bad. gone beyond the comprehension.

 those strict parents do spend time with their children. They control and demand from their children to focus on education, while in europe the level of education is gradually dropped down. Today you dont have to worry about your spelling - you are doing great anyway!you will be classified as dyslectic and that will justify you.

I do some voluntary work at schools and I will tell you how shocking are the state schools.They are breeding morons.

 

 

Watch other series. those teens are sent to countries like India, Lebanon, African states, United states.

445.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 11:51 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Ok, I agree with your first point.

 

those children whom you call spoilt and ignorant are the products of decaying secular europe with no moral values. Do whatever you wish to do. the reality is bad. gone beyond the comprehension.

 those strict parents do spend time with their children. They control and demand from their children to focus on education, while in europe the level of education is gradually dropped down. Today you dont have to worry about your spelling - you are doing great anyway!you will be classified as dyslectic and that will justify you.

I do some voluntary work at schools and I will tell you how shocking are the state schools.They are breeding morons.

 

 

Watch other series. those teens are sent to countries like India, Lebanon, African states, United states.

 

Sounds aweful! I don´t know if the "secular Europe has no moral values"... I don´t know what you mean by that.. I think that the state should not be taking any moral stances, just like Agnieszka Graff said "for people to have moral choices, the laws have to be liberal", and laws are not liberal in "moral" (read: religious) countries.

 

I believe in the state propaganda model of the society. In countries that raise children in the strict authoritarian way, the children learn from early age to obey the rules, be obedient followers of what the elders or government tell them to do. But in free societies like the West, it is not that easy to have obedient population (and you need that if you want the politicians to run freely without any check from the people, and trust me - they themselves are billioners and they have billioner friends in whose interest it is that politicians make decisions that are bad for the people), so they have a more sophisticated model of control. They lower the standards of education, increase tuition so that people are in debt for the rest of their lives and therefore slaves to the system, and make people consumed with dumb entertainment/consumerism/"created wants" being the main pursuits.. all that while being completely ignorant about the world and important decisions that are being made in the government.

 

So yes, I think that both methods of parenting are horrible. And the traditional families apparently also beat the kids.. that´s child abuse.



Edited (4/21/2010) by catwoman

446.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:12 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

this one:

 

Discovered an interesting programme "the strictest parents of the world".

loving it.

recommend it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC3ProgrammesInHD#p/u/136/5E-W6ktuJhA

 

 

Interesting, does this help the kids? It seems to me fictitious{#emotions_dlg.unsure}, and why parents need to show how bad parents they are?

 

I watched a similar program ITV channel about a professional nanny helping out mums who couldnt look after their kids?

 

447.       lemon
1374 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:40 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

Interesting, does this help the kids? It seems to me fictitious{#emotions_dlg.unsure}, and why parents need to show how bad parents they are?

 

I watched a similar program ITV channel about a professional nanny helping out mums who couldnt look after their kids?

 

 

I dont think parents are bad. From the video it looks like they are not bad, they lost a control over their children.As most parent they wish good to their children.

The government took the authority from the parents and schools. children cannot be punished in the positive manner. and then suddenly we have monsters who cannot control themselves.

 

and believe me this is not a fiction.

 

I dont know if the programme helps them. they spend a week only in other families. you cant change within a week.

448.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:51 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

I dont think parents are bad. From the video it looks like they are not bad, they lost a control over their children.As most parent they wish good to their children.

The government took the authority from the parents and schools. children cannot be punished in the positive manner. and then suddenly we have monsters who cannot control themselves.

 

and believe me this is not a fiction.

 

I dont know if the programme helps them. they spend a week only in other families. you cant change within a week.

 

Ok thanks , I dont mean literally bad, they seem bad in fulfilling their parenting & taking control of their kids. Woow what kids are they, no respect to anyone, all kinds of bad habits, nightmare{#emotions_dlg.wtf}...

449.       lemon
1374 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 03:55 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

Ok thanks , I dont mean literally bad, they seem bad in fulfilling their parenting & taking control of their kids. Woow what kids are they, no respect to anyone, all kinds of bad habits, nightmare{#emotions_dlg.wtf}...

 

they dont do parenting because they have no rights for parenting.

450.       lemon
1374 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 04:21 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Sounds aweful! I don´t know if the "secular Europe has no moral values"... I don´t know what you mean by that.. I think that the state should not be taking any moral stances, just like Agnieszka Graff said "for people to have moral choices, the laws have to be liberal", and laws are not liberal in "moral" (read: religious) countries.

 

I believe in the state propaganda model of the society. In countries that raise children in the strict authoritarian way, the children learn from early age to obey the rules, be obedient followers of what the elders or government tell them to do. But in free societies like the West, it is not that easy to have obedient population (and you need that if you want the politicians to run freely without any check from the people, and trust me - they themselves are billioners and they have billioner friends in whose interest it is that politicians make decisions that are bad for the people), so they have a more sophisticated model of control. They lower the standards of education, increase tuition so that people are in debt for the rest of their lives and therefore slaves to the system, and make people consumed with dumb entertainment/consumerism/"created wants" being the main pursuits.. all that while being completely ignorant about the world and important decisions that are being made in the government.

 

So yes, I think that both methods of parenting are horrible. And the traditional families apparently also beat the kids.. that´s child abuse.

 

I totally dont get what you mean by "liberal laws". Europe has the most liberal laws and regulations in the whole world. And that is the main reason for Europe to experience moral corruption. The laws are to protect innocent and punish culprints not to be fancy named liberal.

What do you mean by moral choices? you cant choose morals. good is good and bad is bad - and this is one moral. there are no other options.

 

As for politicians together with rich people fool us. True!

 

I am against the child abuse, but people should not exaggerate that too. If I punish my children even physically I do it out of love.

I understand there are patalogical cases of abuse. But what is happening in Europe where children abuse their own rights, their own lives it is OTT!

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