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30.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 09:02 am

Quote:

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a “New Middle East”

 

"The Turkish Protest at NATO’s Military College in Rome

Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters’ map of the “New Middle East” has sparked angry reactions in Turkey. According to Turkish press releases on September 15, 2006 the map of the “New Middle East” was displayed in NATO’s Military College in Rome, Italy. It was additionally reported that Turkish officers were immediately outraged by the presentation of a portioned and segmented Turkey.8 The map received some form of approval from the U.S. National War Academy before it was unveiled in front of NATO officers in Rome."

 

map here

 

 

Is this what you suspected, Ms. Aenigma?

 

yes it`s all about Turkish paranoia.

31.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 10:28 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

 

 

Is this what you suspected, Ms. Aenigma?

 

yes it`s all about Turkish paranoia.

 

I think the best way to understand if it is paranoia or not, YOU draw a map showing UK being divided and scotland and welsh carved up, then see the reaction of brits..

 

32.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 10:42 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think the best way to understand if it is paranoia or not, YOU draw a map showing UK being divided and scotland and welsh carved up, then see the reaction of brits..

 

 

 Well I was going to use that analogy too, but having seen Alameda and Tami´s post I actually agree with them in a way.  Any regional borders in our country were decided by us - not by American military....

33.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 10:57 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think the best way to understand if it is paranoia or not, YOU draw a map showing UK being divided and scotland and welsh carved up, then see the reaction of brits..

 

 

it`s not just someone who`s drawn that map, its Nato!and I cant even imagine how England would react if Nato drew a map showing the lands of england as the property of Free Ireland.

34.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 11:00 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

 

it`s not just someone who`s drawn that map, its Nato!and I cant even imagine how England would react if Nato drew a map showing the lands of england as the property of Free Ireland.

 

 Yeah I agree with you - I didn´t know about this, so retract my original comments

35.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 11:18 am

This map has been circulating for a few years now

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=36919

The U.S. State Department assured Ankara that the map did not reflect the official American view, and denounced it as unacceptable.

He was  prepared by a retired soldier..and US has already apologized for it.

I dont think we should take it seriously and show it as a proof for our paranoia which dates back  way before that map.

36.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 12:25 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

This map has been circulating for a few years now

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=36919

The U.S. State Department assured Ankara that the map did not reflect the official American view, and denounced it as unacceptable.

He was  prepared by a retired soldier..and US has already apologized for it.

I dont think we should take it seriously and show it as a proof for our paranoia which dates back  way before that map.

 

Phew! what a relief! Confused

37.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 02:22 pm

Going back to the original topic:

 

You have dishonoured your family, please kill yourself

 

"honour killings" in Turkey have reached record levels. According to government figures, there are more than 200 a year – half of all the murders committed in the country. Now, in a sinister twist, comes the emergence of "honour suicides". The growing phenomenon has been linked to reforms to Turkey´s penal code in 2005. That introduced mandatory life sentences for honour killers, whereas in the past, killers could receive a reduced sentence claiming provocation. Soon after the law was passed, the numbers of female suicides started to rocket.

..

Killing for Honour will be shown on Channel 4 tonight at 7.35pm


http://www.independent.co.uk/n...red-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html

38.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 03:09 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Going back to the original topic:

 

You have dishonoured your family, please kill yourself

 

"honour killings" in Turkey have reached record levels. According to government figures, there are more than 200 a year – half of all the murders committed in the country. Now, in a sinister twist, comes the emergence of "honour suicides". The growing phenomenon has been linked to reforms to Turkey´s penal code in 2005. That introduced mandatory life sentences for honour killers, whereas in the past, killers could receive a reduced sentence claiming provocation. Soon after the law was passed, the numbers of female suicides started to rocket.

..

Killing for Honour will be shown on Channel 4 tonight at 7.35pm


http://www.independent.co.uk/n...red-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html

 

 This is just sad and outrageous!  There just doesn´t seem to be an easy solution.  Turkey´s Kurdish issues are very closely tied to this issue....so unfortunately for the women....they will have to let the men fight before humanity can take a step forward.



Edited (3/27/2009) by Elisabeth
Edited (3/27/2009) by Elisabeth

39.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 06:16 pm

suicide, honour kilings and other middle age events are only seen among kurdish ppl, especially Diyarbakýr, batman ....

 it s strange that those ppl shout and choose terrorism for human right.

and it s really funny, kurdish politicians talk about women rights in their politics all the time.

40.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 27 Mar 2009 Fri 06:32 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

suicide, honour kilings and other middle age events are only seen among kurdish ppl, especially Diyarbakýr, batman ....

 it s strange that those ppl shout and choose terrorism for human right.

and it s really funny, kurdish politicians talk about women rights in their politics all the time.

 

 Well, I am not sure of the prevelance of honor killings in Turkey amoung Turks V. Kurds (honestly I don´t know), but it seems to happen all over the world and not just Turkey.   Besides, pawning it off as a "Kurdish" problem is kind of irresponsible.  This is occuring in your country Jan, to citizens of Turkey.  It shouldn´t matter that they are Kurdish.Confused

 

As a women, it is hard to sit back and watch this issue go on and on as men sit back and talk/fight/kill but make absolutely no progress in improving this situation for so many women.  Women have no power in these situations/part of the world and it is a helpless feeling for those of us who can only sit back and read these horrible articles!



Edited (3/27/2009) by Elisabeth

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