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50.       Kiara
145 posts
 01 Apr 2009 Wed 11:43 pm

Quote:Elisabeth

 I thought all of us bed Amerikans were the Holy Cows!
hahaha <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>   What?? What the hell!  

51.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 01 Apr 2009 Wed 11:46 pm

it is interenting that this man is always critizing Turkish people. but I havent seen any post of him critizing terrorist actions of some kurdish people. when some ppl bombed innocent ppl somewhere, he is always critizing turkey, not foreign powers behind them. according to him, sometimes  it s their right to bomb somewhere if you dont give what some groups want. when all turkey is sad for these ppl died in terrorist attacti, for some reason he is trying to find a good reason beind this massacre.

 

About Ataturk, we dont see him as a god. every country has a hero in their history, who did great revolutions and changed the destiny of a country in a good way. but here we forget that it s not easy to do a revolution in a country, governed with sultanate for centuries. and bring this country democracy. maybe he thinks sultanate is better than democracy.

 

everybody knows that Muhsin Yazicýoðlu was not a murderer. if you read about him, or from other ppl who were in opposite parts at that time, you will see that he struggled to stop bad events. He was out of the events at that time. of course he was a leader of a nationalist group. that why he was accused for this individual murders, not by his activity.

 

about our previous discussion, I dont agree that I was unsuccessful coz u were supported by moderators and u called me as racist, and managed it. everybody knew me as racist wth the help of moderators. I was the one who was warned after my answers to ur posts. I dont know what did u live in turkey but u still have an anger against turkey like other friends of you.

52.       Kiara
145 posts
 01 Apr 2009 Wed 11:58 pm

Quote:TheAenigma

 Kiara I don´t think you have thought through the implications of what you are saying.  The word freedom DOES mean we should be able to say whatever we want.  There is nothing wrong AT ALL in insulting a "country´s values" - it is not personal and is not in any way comparable to insulting someone personally.

 

To remain silent about any country´s values or deeds is to give silent acquiescence.  For example, would you stand by and watch a woman being stoned to death as a government´s punishment and say nothing about it for fear of seeming inpolite?

 

Countries who censor criticism can only have something to hide, in my opinion.

 

I didn´t just write that "out of my head" sporadically I have thought about this thing of "freedom" for sometime and have come to these conclusions personally a while ago. Freedom cannot truly be "freedom for everyone" unless we are careful with it. Unless we are responsible with it. And I absolutely have nothing against expressing opinions or criticisms. We grow if we have an open-enough mind to listen to the opinions and criticisms of other people. Doesn´t mean we have to believe it all, but to take what others say and weigh it against our own thoughts and beliefs does make a person grow.

 

Of course I would not stand by and do nothing if I saw anybody being unjustly abused. I agree...censorship can definitely lead to dictatorship....but, once again, for the sake of the "freedoms of everyone" sometimes censorship should be a good thing. For instance...do you want your children seeing certain things on tv or on the newstand that is not appropriate for their eyes?

 

I´m not really talking about opinions and criticisms in my statement....I thought the issue was throwing insults .... Big smile

53.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:03 am

 

Quoting Kiara

 

I´m not really talking about opinions and criticisms in my statement....I thought the issue was throwing insults .... Big smile

 

There is no throwing insults here or most of the time there has not been.

It is just some people think that different opinions are insult to them and the like to ´ban´ those ideas rather than coming up with the ideas they think it is right..

Have you seen any insult here by yourself?

 

54.       femmeous
2642 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:03 am

 

Quoting Kiara

Quote:TheAenigma

 Kiara I don´t think you have thought through the implications of what you are saying.  The word freedom DOES mean we should be able to say whatever we want.  There is nothing wrong AT ALL in insulting a "country´s values" - it is not personal and is not in any way comparable to insulting someone personally.

 

To remain silent about any country´s values or deeds is to give silent acquiescence.  For example, would you stand by and watch a woman being stoned to death as a government´s punishment and say nothing about it for fear of seeming inpolite?

 

Countries who censor criticism can only have something to hide, in my opinion.

 

I didn´t just write that "out of my head" sporadically I have thought about this thing of "freedom" for sometime and have come to these conclusions personally a while ago. Freedom cannot truly be "freedom for everyone" unless we are careful with it. Unless we are responsible with it. And I absolutely have nothing against expressing opinions or criticisms. We grow if we have an open-enough mind to listen to the opinions and criticisms of other people. Doesn´t mean we have to believe it all, but to take what others say and weigh it against our own thoughts and beliefs does make a person grow.

 

Of course I would not stand by and do nothing if I saw anybody being unjustly abused. I agree...censorship can definitely lead to dictatorship....but, once again, for the sake of the "freedoms of everyone" sometimes censorship should be a good thing. For instance...do you want your children seeing certain things on tv or on the newstand that is not appropriate for their eyes?

 

I´m not really talking about opinions and criticisms in my statement....I thought the issue was throwing insults .... Big smile

 

do you think you grew up enough to be able to digest?

i think most people who cant stand a slightest critism arent grown up really. there are many on this site.

shall i include you there?

 

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55.       Kiara
145 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:07 am

Quote:femmeous

do you think you grew up enough to be able to digest?

i think most people who cant stand a slightest critism arent grown up really. there are many on this site.

shall i include you there?

Nope! I´m all growed up!! Big smile

56.       femmeous
2642 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:10 am

 

Quoting Kiara

Nope! I´m all growed up!! Big smile

 

 who grewed you up? amerikan linguists?

57.       Kiara
145 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:14 am

Quote:thehandsom

There is no throwing insults here or most of the time there has not been.

It is just some people think that different opinions are insult to them and the like to ´ban´ those ideas rather than coming up with the ideas they think it is right..

Have you seen any insult here by yourself?

Okay, just to clarify....I did come into a conversation and expressed my opinions about freedom without really having enough experience on these forums to have any real hard evidence that there were insults going around. I really haven´t experienced any insults...just lots of opinions....lots of opinions Big smile ... but that´s a good thing!! I´ve enjoyed reading other people´s opinions and I think I´ve learned from them!

 

I guess the reason I said something is that it seems that when it comes to someone´s country/national anthem/flag/patriotism....those things go alot deeper into the heart/loyalty/passion/purpose of people...that I just think we need to be a little more cautious when we approach those subjects. Many times things like religion and patriotism give people a purpose in life. Those are things that are usually close and dear to the heart of people. And a person´s country is like their family.

 

So, I apologize if I spoke out of turn...my statement was ONLY based on that one thread where it began...that´s all. Flowers

58.       Kiara
145 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:16 am

Quote:femmeous

who grewed you up? amerikan linguists?
<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> that was spose to be a joke .... I said it like I was a child who couldn´t speak properly "I all growed up" Wink

59.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:19 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

it is interenting that this man is always critizing Turkish people. but I havent seen any post of him critizing terrorist actions of some kurdish people. when some ppl bombed innocent ppl somewhere, he is always critizing turkey, not foreign powers behind them. according to him, sometimes  it s their right to bomb somewhere if you dont give what some groups want. when all turkey is sad for these ppl died in terrorist attacti, for some reason he is trying to find a good reason beind this massacre.

 

About Ataturk, we dont see him as a god. every country has a hero in their history, who did great revolutions and changed the destiny of a country in a good way. but here we forget that it s not easy to do a revolution in a country, governed with sultanate for centuries. and bring this country democracy. maybe he thinks sultanate is better than democracy.

 

everybody knows that Muhsin Yazicýoðlu was not a murderer. if you read about him, or from other ppl who were in opposite parts at that time, you will see that he struggled to stop bad events. He was out of the events at that time. of course he was a leader of a nationalist group. that why he was accused for this individual murders, not by his activity.

 

about our previous discussion, I dont agree that I was unsuccessful coz u were supported by moderators and u called me as racist, and managed it. everybody knew me as racist wth the help of moderators. I was the one who was warned after my answers to ur posts. I dont know what did u live in turkey but u still have an anger against turkey like other friends of you.

 

I think we have discussed this many times..

Even NOW Our president says that ´we have to look at inside the borders for our KURDISH PROBLEM´

The entire foreign elements were invented by the generals and nationalists to unite people for a ´common enemy´. This is a very well known tactic and people in Turkey is not buying it anymore..

I have never supported any terrorist bombings here. It is just your assumption that if a person talks about ´kurdish rights´ that person MUST BE SUPPORTING TERRORISM..

I explained hundered times here why we have lost 40 to 70 thousands people..The main reason of course not accepting that ´it was not a foreign thing..It was internal and it was caused bu our TURKISH nationalism´  

About Ataturk...Where did you see me supporting sheria driven primitive medi evil sultanate?

Again, you are jumping into conlusion that is someone says ´Ataturk was a dictator in his time -when you look at him with today´s values- and he might have lied´, that person must be hating Ataturk and supporting the sultanate..Eh? This is what I call ´seeing  Ataturk as  semi god´. Ataturk himself was against all the gods!!!!!

About Yazicioglu , He was a murderer and a fascist like his dear friend ´Abdullah Catli´. Please do not force me to come back here with the list of Turkish people he was involved in their murder..

I dont have an anger at all about my beautiful Turkey at all. I love it into pieces so as my friends..This is my country and apart from her nationalists I am so proud of it..

But of course, because of  some of Turks´ nationalism extends itself to racism, we will not stop loving our country.

That was the way it is in the past  and that will be the way it will be..  

 



Edited (4/2/2009) by thehandsom

60.       femmeous
2642 posts
 02 Apr 2009 Thu 12:26 am

 

Quoting Kiara

<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> that was spose to be a joke .... I said it like I was a child who couldn´t speak properly "I all growed up" Wink

 

 oh, welkum to the klub! lol we will grow you more lol

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