that was spose to be a joke .... I said it like I was a child who couldn´t speak properly "I all growed up"

 oh, welkum to the klub! we will grow you more

 

Okay, just to clarify....I did come into a conversation and expressed my opinions about freedom without really having enough experience on these forums to have any real hard evidence that there were insults going around. I really haven´t experienced any insults...just lots of opinions....lots of opinions ... but that´s a good thing!! I´ve enjoyed reading other people´s opinions and I think I´ve learned from them!

 

fanfastic!

 

I guess the reason I said something is that it seems that when it comes to someone´s country/national anthem/flag/patriotism....those things go alot deeper into the heart/loyalty/passion/purpose of people...that I just think we need to be a little more cautious when we approach those subjects. Many times things like religion and patriotism give people a purpose in life. Those are things that are usually close and dear to the heart of people. And a person´s country is like their family.

 

not fanfastic. rubbish!

anthem/flags/patriotism made up things. what if there were no anthems and no flags?

btw, anthems are a western invention. so why do the asians copy it?

its all that crap. someone makes a song and everybody must worship it.

 

So, I apologize if I spoke out of turn...my statement was ONLY based on that one thread where it began...that´s all.

not fanfastic. rubbish!

anthem/flags/patriotism made up things. what if there were no anthems and no flags?

btw, anthems are a western invention. so why do the asians copy it?

its all that crap. someone makes a song and everybody must worship it.

fanfastic!

 

Okay, just to clarify....I did come into a conversation and expressed my opinions about freedom without really having enough experience on these forums to have any real hard evidence that there were insults going around. I really haven´t experienced any insults...just lots of opinions....lots of opinions ... but that´s a good thing!! I´ve enjoyed reading other people´s opinions and I think I´ve learned from them!

 

I guess the reason I said something is that it seems that when it comes to someone´s country/national anthem/flag/patriotism....those things go alot deeper into the heart/loyalty/passion/purpose of people...that I just think we need to be a little more cautious when we approach those subjects. Many times things like religion and patriotism give people a purpose in life. Those are things that are usually close and dear to the heart of people. And a person´s country is like their family.

 

So, I apologize if I spoke out of turn...my statement was ONLY based on that one thread where it began...that´s all.

anthem/flags/patriotism made up things. what if there were no anthems and no flags?

Basically, in Turkey we dont want that type of patriotism.. We dont call it patriotism..

I totally agree with you...it is not patriotism, it is more like "Individualism" Individualism and also perhaps very radical. Just because people do things in the name of "patriotism" doesn´t make it patriotism.

In Turkey it is much more like the desire of Totalitarianism. 

 And typicaly, anybody who disagrees with them is being labeled as ´non-patriotic´, by those individuals who are so whole heartedly embraced the state official explanations and idealogies of the state. And according to them those ideas opposing the official explanations of the events must be banned..

 

Lets start:

-National anthem. I remember saying that music our national anthem ´might have been taken´ somewhere from the west from a song called ´Carmen Silva´. 

By saying this, do you think i am disrespecting our national anthem? 

I have also critizised the words in our national anthem by saying that it contains some racist words..

This is the first two section we keep singing 30 times a week :

 

Fear not! For the crimson flag that proudly ripples in this glorious twilight, shall not fade,

Before the last fiery hearth that is ablaze within my nation is extinguished.

For That is the star of my nation, and it will forever shine;

It is mine; and solely belongs to my valiant nation.

Frown not, I beseech you, oh thou coy crescent,

But smile upon my heroic race! Why the anger, why the rage? ¹

This blood of ours which we shed for you shall not be blessed otherwise;

For Freedom is the absolute right of my God-worshiping nation.

 

I am saying what I said before again!!

By saying this, do you think i am disrespecting our national anthem? 

If some people think so, and raging with anger because of me saying that thenm too bad for them..

They can say whatever they like!! I did not care what they said previously, there is no indication from my part that I will take them more seriously this time..

 

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-And about respecting the dead people; because he died etc..

I have every single right to ´not to feel sorry´ about a person who died and I have every right to ´not to respect´ a person because he died..

As I said you can accuse me about it as much as you can accuse ´a Chilian not feeling sorry because of Pinochet died´. 

And I made it claer about it in the relevant thread when I said, I can bring you the list about what murders he was associated with´. 

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