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140.       birdy
245 posts
 22 May 2009 Fri 10:25 pm

 Winkguess so..

Quoting vineyards

Thanks birdy, you would be someone I know?

 

 

141.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 May 2009 Fri 10:31 pm

 

Quoting birdy

 Winkguess so..

 

 

 

Let´s keep on guessing.

142.       birdy
245 posts
 22 May 2009 Fri 10:32 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

Well, maybe because black is not black and white is not white....as far as people go anyway..........

 

I think as the world gets smaller and we are confronted with each other, our old ideas change. 

 

It´s interesting to note that in the "good old days"  many cultures didn´t even consider different humans to be human.  The Chinese called white people Red Devils....other Asians called them round eyes....Jewish people call none Jews Goyim, the Romany (aka Gypsies) people call "others" Gadge.....the Japanese called "others" Gaijin..and had to be forced to trade with Europeans.

 

Actually in this area there is a great amount of improvement in intercultural relations....most people admit to "others" being human.

 

 the history of humanity proves that we  humans tend to depreciate other nations,races,nationalities.is it selfishness?fear?-I tend to believe in this-self preservation?xenophoby?must be...anyway

what is wrong with us -preachers of western civilisationof  ,which is better?????(DOUBT)WESTERN VALUES,western style of living,western so and on?



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Edited (5/22/2009) by birdy [huhhhhhhhhh..free time for makin ´mistakes..]

143.       birdy
245 posts
 22 May 2009 Fri 10:52 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

Well, maybe because black is not black and white is not white....as far as people go anyway..........

 

I think as the world gets smaller and we are confronted with each other, our old ideas change. 

 

It´s interesting to note that in the "good old days"  many cultures didn´t even consider different humans to be human.  The Chinese called white people Red Devils....other Asians called them round eyes....Jewish people call none Jews Goyim, the Romany (aka Gypsies) people call "others" Gadge.....the Japanese called "others" Gaijin..and had to be forced to trade with Europeans.

 

Actually in this area there is a great amount of improvement in intercultural relations....most people admit to "others" being human.

 

 Alameda)in my opinion ppl are ppl no matter what colour of their skin is,no matter what God they pray,no matter what values they go for..

144.       alameda
3499 posts
 22 May 2009 Fri 11:39 pm

 

Quoting birdy

 Alameda)in my opinion ppl are ppl no matter what colour of their skin is,no matter what God they pray,no matter what values they go for..

 

Of course they are.....!

 

However....a wise friend of mine once noted that humans are in essence "herd creatures". We have gone the range of clans, tribes and herds...to what we have today.

 

I´ve read that tribal society is the most efficient.....This social (herd nature) is probably why we have a difficulty being more inclusive.



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145.       birdy
245 posts
 23 May 2009 Sat 01:30 am

http://history.club.fatih.edu.tr/103%20Huntington%20Clash%20of%20Civilizations%20full%20text.htm

 

if u have time guys)

146.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 May 2009 Sat 04:28 am

 

Quoting birdy

if u have time guys)

 


Yes, that is a famous book....but I disagree....this statement in particular....

"First, differences among civilizations are not only real; they are basic. Civilizations are differentiated from each other by history, language, culture, tradition and, most important, religion."

The more we study human history, the more we realize we share the same family.  Look at the DNA....it´s in there...our similarities outweigh our differences. Only when cultures/civilizations try to impose what is different on others, problems ensue. That imposition comes out of a feeling of deficiency. (need more, don´t have enough, need to feel important)

We are more similar as human beings, (I might add, fellow mammals)  than different. In reality, very few want much other than to be able to life their lives unobstructed. It is only the fear (which books like this encourage) of being forced to adopt other ways they negatively react.

Even if one looks at religion, at their hearts, there is more similarity between them than disparity. Our basic needs, our basic values are the same.  In reality, we are one.

Years ago there were no sushi bars, nobody heard of shiatsu...soy sauce...?...Thai food was unheard of,.....but now you see these proliferating all over the place.  People extract what they like from other cultures more than they want to go to war with them....unless they are manipulated.

“Naturally the common people don´t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”  so said Hermann Göring.

Is that true?  Ultimately we all want the most is to be loved and to love. We want to be part of the loving family.........when we fix our hair, get new cloths, it´s to make ourselves more lovable......

 

How about this?

The Second Forum of the Alliance of Civilizations



Edited (5/23/2009) by alameda [edit]

147.       birdy
245 posts
 24 May 2009 Sun 11:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

thinking to convert..............

148.       alameda
3499 posts
 25 May 2009 Mon 02:30 am

 

Quoting birdy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

thinking to convert..............

 

Interesting video....somewhat alarmist. I´ve always wondered how they come up with such statistics? One can´t guarantee the children of anyone will adopt their belief system, particularly in today´s climate. 

 

I do think most people will weigh the altermatives and come up with their own belief system.

149.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 25 May 2009 Mon 08:44 am

The idea of creating a "clash between civilisations" is long out of fashion nowadays, so is that old book.

 

The new approach is to create "clashes within the civilisations".

 

Why is it that it is usually writers/philosophers of Jewish origin to encourage a final showdown between Christians and Moslems? ?...extremely competitive and sporting guys Wink .

150.       alameda
3499 posts
 25 May 2009 Mon 08:37 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

The idea of creating a "clash between civilisations" is long out of fashion nowadays, so is that old book.

 

The new approach is to create "clashes within the civilisations".

 

Why is it that it is usually writers/philosophers of Jewish origin to encourage a final showdown between Christians and Moslems? ?...extremely competitive and sporting guys Wink .

 

Oh please!

 

....it´s an old strategy that has nothing to do with Jews...."divide et impera"...."divide and conquer"....."divide and rule"...been going on for thousands of years. 

 

What amazes me is that after all this time, it is it´s continued  success.

 

Today is Memorial Day in the US....all last night and today there have been programs on war.  Mutilated vetrans have been shown with their famlies.  It sickens and saddens me.

 

Why?

 

After all our years of so called "evolution", we spend so much creative energy and resources to better kill and mutilate each other.  In looking at most other animals, once one shows themself the stronger, the fight is over. Where is the humane in humans?

 



Edited (5/25/2009) by alameda [add]

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