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Obama calls for new beginning between US and Muslims
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1.       juliacernat
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 04 Jun 2009 Thu 02:48 pm

In a keynote speech in Cairo, Mr Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8082676.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8082948.stm

 

 

2.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 03:07 pm

Hmm, I listened to this speech.  Sounded like the Jimmy Carter administration...words and choices.  That´s great..but I didn´t hear a solution...SadWhat did surprise me was his comment to the Muslim world about womens education..but then again he referred many times back to those countries allowing their government to run things as they felt suited for them.  It was contradicting to me that if you continued to allow these governments to run things that were suited to them...then your limiting choices for people especially womens education.  It´s interesting how he concentrated on the verbiage "choices", but as Americans we are seeing our choices little by little  go right out the door.

 

Also, when he speaks of the Muslim world...what exactely does this mean?  You don´t hear phrases like the Christian World, the Jewish World.   

 

And lastly, why of all places did he pick Egypt to send this message?Confused

3.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 03:32 pm

Obama speech: An analysis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8082862.stm

 

 

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 05:19 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

Hmm, I listened to this speech.  Sounded like the Jimmy Carter administration...words and choices.  That´s great..but I didn´t hear a solution...SadWhat did surprise me was his comment to the Muslim world about womens education..but then again he referred many times back to those countries allowing their government to run things as they felt suited for them.  It was contradicting to me that if you continued to allow these governments to run things that were suited to them...then your limiting choices for people especially womens education.  It´s interesting how he concentrated on the verbiage "choices", but as Americans we are seeing our choices little by little  go right out the door.

 

Also, when he speaks of the Muslim world...what exactely does this mean?  You don´t hear phrases like the Christian World, the Jewish World.   

 

And lastly, why of all places did he pick Egypt to send this message?Confused

 

I didn´t listen to the entire speech yet, but the exerpts taht I heard were pretty good!

 

I think that you cannot give yourself the holy right to direct how other people should govern their countries. They have as much right as we do to live the way they want, even if we disagree with them. I think that there is plenty that international human rights organizations as well as wealthy countries like the US could do to influence democratic movements and struggles for equality without undermining the autonomy of those countries. I think that´s the ultimate act of arrogance when you say that we can´t let other countries govern themselves sovereignly.

 

I think that it´s absolutely necessary and great that Obama finally is trying to mend the US-Arab relationship, and start one that is based on mutual respect. That alone will make America 100 times safer then anything that Bush could ever do.

5.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 06:17 pm

thats always nice to be peace pigeon then to be war falcon,so this  speach is a good step for a new start after a crisis term.But fundemantalism will be always danger for any country or belief,so i believe this problem only can solve by interior dynamics ,more education and more equal rights on the international area...

6.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 06:21 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I didn´t listen to the entire speech yet, but the exerpts taht I heard were pretty good!

 

I think that you cannot give yourself the holy right to direct how other people should govern their countries. They have as much right as we do to live the way they want, even if we disagree with them. I think that there is plenty that international human rights organizations as well as wealthy countries like the US could do to influence democratic movements and struggles for equality without undermining the autonomy of those countries. I think that´s the ultimate act of arrogance when you say that we can´t let other countries govern themselves sovereignly.

 

I think that it´s absolutely necessary and great that Obama finally is trying to mend the US-Arab relationship, and start one that is based on mutual respect. That alone will make America 100 times safer then anything that Bush could ever do.

 

 I haven´t seen any international human right organization as of yet..have any great influence on giving women equal rights in these countries..so I´m not sure how this will change. It´s still a contradiction to say rule the way you want, but in the same breath change your policies about equal rights for women.. I guess you don´t see this as a contradiction somehow.  Again, I believe if he doesn´t come up with a solution he will be taken just like most politicians for their wordy words.   I´m wondering why he didn´t choose to speak in Lebanon instead. 

 

 So America will be 100 times safer than Bush could ever do.  I don´t remember being attacked by terrorists in the last 8 years after 911. Hmm, I thought we were quite safe.  Tell me how Obama will make us safer?Roll eyes

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 06:32 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

 I haven´t seen any international human right organization as of yet..have any great influence on giving women equal rights in these countries..so I´m not sure how this will change. It´s still a contradiction to say rule the way you want, but in the same breath change your policies about equal rights for women.. I guess you don´t see this as a contradiction somehow.  Again, I believe if he doesn´t come up with a solution he will be taken just like most politicians for their wordy words.   I´m wondering why he didn´t choose to speak in Lebanon instead. 

 

 So America will be 100 times safer than Bush could ever do.  I don´t remember being attacked by terrorists in the last 8 years after 911. Hmm, I thought we were quite safe.  Tell me how Obama will make us safer?Roll eyes

 

You know, the problem with international organizations, including UN is that while they are trying to do something to help, one of it´s powerful members, like th US, is doing something completely opposite.. so of course they can´t accomplish anything. I think that UN should be restructured.. in such a way that they would have resources available, but any country that could have conflicts of interest with regards to a certain issue should not be allowed to vote on that issue.

 

I do agree with you that words alone won´t make any difference... they have to be followed up by actions.. and I do hope that there will be a two state solution to the Palestinian conflict, that would take care of a lot of problems..

 

What did Bush do to make us safe... nothing, by any account, the world is less safe because of Bush. And it´s him who has been taking away our freedoms, even the freedom to fair trial!

8.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 06:35 pm

we all need more eqaulity on the every part of social life,more democracy for all social classes,more secularity and respect for every beliefs,and more sharing for all wealths of globe as much as water or air,We have to feel this necessities in our every single cells....And especially politicans and intellectuals have to be leaders of this peace walking,instead of creating new crisis by any reason...

9.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jun 2009 Thu 09:07 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 .................... So America will be 100 times safer than Bush could ever do.  I don´t remember being attacked by terrorists in the last 8 years after 911. Hmm, I thought we were quite safe.  Tell me how Obama will make us safer?Roll eyes

 

 In case you missed it, we were attacked durng the Bush administration, who after getting numerous warnings regarding Al Qaida that were ignored...and in particular White House Presidential Daily Briefing in early August 2001 saying Ben Laidin Determined to strike in the US, continued clearing brush on his ranch....I suggest you take a look at Richard Clark´s book, Against All Enemies...then there is John O´Neill....aka The Man Who Knew...who was vilified and ignored...Then there was Bush´s "Bring it on" comment....at that time there were only 65 US  comba deaths....now there are 5,000 ......... You really think the Bush administration made/keep the citizens of the US safe....?

10.       teaschip
3870 posts
 05 Jun 2009 Fri 05:29 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

 In case you missed it, we were attacked durng the Bush administration, who after getting numerous warnings regarding Al Qaida that were ignored...and in particular White House Presidential Daily Briefing in early August 2001 saying Ben Laidin Determined to strike in the US, continued clearing brush on his ranch....I suggest you take a look at Richard Clark´s book, Against All Enemies...then there is John O´Neill....aka The Man Who Knew...who was vilified and ignored...Then there was Bush´s "Bring it on" comment....at that time there were only 65 US  comba deaths....now there are 5,000 ......... You really think the Bush administration made/keep the citizens of the US safe....?

 

 Alamada, I suggest you reread my post then..sound familiar? I do indicate 9/11 and you failed to mention it was the Clinton Administration who received warnings well before Bush took office.  Do you recall the 1993 bombing of the WTC?  To remind you that was under the Clinton Administration.  You probably also believe in the conspiracy the administration plotted these acts of terror.

 

I would rather fight the war on terror overseas than on our own soil.  I have more fear that Obama and his show boat feel good invitations don´t invite the extremist to take the opportunity to visit our backyards. Even the most far out liberals I know can´t deny that the Bush administration did keep this country safe.. Obviously your terminology of what safe means must be quite different than the average joe I know.  But then again that doesn´t surprise me.

 

 

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