We are on this site to share common interests about Turkey and Turkish Culture. but some ppl still working for different aims if you read last columnist. I wanted to write my opinion under his own thoughts but I saw that NO BODY CAN MAKE ANY COMMENT UNDER HIS colum.

(Comments are disabled for this column.)

who gives him the right to impose his own thoughts to other ppl about turkey! if admins think this is "freedom of speech", why we can not write our comments???

I´m sure if you have an opinion you would find a way to make it known!

 Dont be funny, everything is clear, take off ur horse glasses!

Columns are exactly personal opinions of the columnist. If you want to have your own column as well, where you want to write about Turkey, let us know.

Catwoman Caným,

Look, only one essay is closed to comments. Its closed intentionaly to hide other point views.

    neigh!  why does everything have to be a conspiracy!

 Let s ask this question in a different way,

Why does a person only writes negative and insulting things about turkey? and close it to any comments and open others?

 they are negative and insulting in your opinion,  I personally would be unable to make any judgements without more informtion.....but as stated a column is the writers own opinion and the fact that it is closed for comment just means the debate happens on the forum rather than on the column

 1. why u answer my questions, are u moderator or responsible from something on this site.

2. there are more turkish ppl who are against this ideas on this site

3. insulting Ataturk, with a reference (the reference is a street hooligan´s speech and that man is not a normal man as u can see from the picture) cant be accepted.

4. Principles of Ataturk can not be insulted in this way. 

5. only critizing posts as if turkey is full of bad things

isn´t it a bit strange to talk about freedom of speech, and than mentioning how he cannot say these things? That´s a double standard...so you should be able to say anything you want, but another can´t?

I´m also curious to learn why comments are disabled ONLY for this column. 

 Actually, any of the columnists, at their discretion,  can disable comments for their column, it appears this is the only one who has taken advantage of that option.....and only for this particular column.

 Oh! Thanks, now I understand! So it has nothing with administration, right? It is the columnist who doesn´t want his column to be commeted.

 caným, þekerim listen and read what I wrote carefully.

I didnt say he cant say write what he thinks

I wrote that why he closed comments, but others open.

 yes.

Im trying to explain this. coz some ppl give rights to ppl who has one sided opions only.

It is the columnist´s choice to have comments or not.

 balým, why dont u understand. I know it s the choice of columnist. and know why he choosed so. but u dont wanna understand. it s clear that he doesnt want anyone to write something different compliments are allowed but not criticizes...

 It is all to do with the aforementioned freedom of speech Janissary...thehansom´s freedom of speech that is   That is why the bed and aggressive chiko went.

I like the "freedom of speech"

Im learning the meaning of it from open minded and intelligent columnists coz it doesnt grow in our fields here

Freedom of speech is not the liberty of blubbering anything that pops to your mind, on the spot.

It is the freedom to be able to say what you want from amongst many correct and rational alternatives.

Basically freedom of speech is what Alpha says it´s "freedom of speech", nothing else.

 But it is not "freedom of speech" when you do not allow others to comment on what you have just said.

 Is it not possible to comment on the forum.....quoting what you feel you want to comment on?

 But when thehandsom wrote the column he probably knew that others would want to comment, so why did he disable the comments and not allow people to reply in the proper place?

 I am also disappointed that thehandsom felt he had to disable the comments, and I concur with Bydand and others on that . 

My Comments:

I must say it is not one of my favourite columns and it is disappointing for me, in comparison to the others that you have written with a certain "joie de vivre" which this one lacks.

 +10000

Im sure they will close this thread too as they hided

 Of course it is possible.  The issue is, when one comments directly to the column, the comments stay with the column instead of scrolling into oblivion.  IOW if someone wants to comment directly to a column, it stays with the relevant column,  where comments are connected to the column.  As you, no doubt, most have noticed, subjects in the forum scoll away from sight.

 Meaning...?   You can´t find them/read them??  If enough people are interested in a subject it rarely leaves the ´latest discussion´ page.

thehandsom probably knew who would comment what on his column and maybe he just wanted to spare you the trouble.

once again -- that is the nature of our columns -- columnists post their articles and they may choose to have comments or not. if any of you want to be serious columnists, you will have the same option.

I haven´t seen too many comments on thehandsome´s post..for those of you who are complaining about not being able to comment.  All I see is many complaints...so where are your comments to his post?  It´s quite easy to start a topic and quote the person.    How about the topic  "Follow TheJanissary on a Tour of  the Real Turkey" .

 I think you hit the nail right on the head here teaschip - the question is ´are they complaining about not being able to comment or commenting about not being able to complain´??

That is why I posted the comment in this thread; I would have posted with the article had the option been there. 

 This is what I was refering to, sekerim

that means only compliments are accepted to columns

I wonder how much YOU love  being criticized!!!

 I think we all know the answer to that one kitty!

Off ya, if he wanted compliments, he´d have enabled comments and then deleted negative ones. It´s his right to choose whether or not he wants others to comment, isn´t it? Like it was said, you may copy his article and comment on it in the forum. I suppose he wanted to avoid that "You cannot insult Ataturk" constructive remarks . Nowhere does it say you cannot criticise Handsom´s article, do it here is you please...

 Im the most criticized person on this site caným.

and this man is always flattered by mods but only I criticized his one sided negative thoughts about turkey and as usual u supportted him

 I m against this, it s not right to give such oppurtunities to him.

he will write what he wants on the main page and I will write my comments and tell it s not right in the forum pages, it s not fair.

About insulting Ataturk constructive remarks: I dont want you to aggree with me and respect Ataturk. coz u can not understand what he means for turkish people.

he fought against western imperialism and he is one of the few heros who won the war against imperialism in the war and established a modern country. he is a symbol of modernisation for us.

Thats why speech of a maniac person who shoots around in the street can not be takes serious. It s funny to use as a reference of his speech in the court to insult Ataturk´s principles. Handsome is always doing this. I accept that his persuasion ability is only works for the female mods. he is administrate site not mods.

In my opinion if it is possible, please moderators allow everybody to make positive (!) discussion. If not possible it means the columnist fears to be critized.

( Note: Maybe I have some grammatical or word mistakes on above. )

I am open for the corrections. Because nobody is perfect!

 I think it has been duly noted by just about everyone here that you are against this!   Seriously though,

whether you like it or not he has the right to block comments from his column, just as you would have the right to do so if you chose to write one.  So why don´t you put your energy into defending what you beleive to be the truth instead of making such a damn fuss!

Write a column Janis....tell your side.....but the truth is, I doubt many people here take what is written as gospel...and those that do....well some people just don´t have enough brains in their heads to get your panties in a twist over!

It has been made quite clear to you that this blocking thing is not a special feature designed just for handsom so get over it already and quit demeaning the women on this site by saying that handsom has control over them!  All that does is make you look like you are jealous or something and it´s starting to look like you are the one he controls!  It´s really starting to border on bizarre. 

 Why should anyone be fearful of a column written by a member?  It is not the word of an expert, it is simply a person´s opinion.  Read it or don´t....like it or hate it....it doesn´t change anything.   I will never understand why people are so afraid of someone´s words.

And you are wrong about one thing.............I am perfect

 maybe u dont remember,

I asked to be a moderator on this site.

if I remind you they told me that Im a nationalist and cant be mod coz he called me racist

So you can say you´re nobody, girleegirl.....................  

I´m glad to hear your positive review.

All I wanted to say I´m contrary to privileges given some people or some groups (the only columnists.)

 So is that what this is about?  A mad tantrum because you were rejected as a mod?    Well guess what....handsom isn´t a mod either! 

And do you REALLY want to be a mod or are you just pissed cuz you were told no? 

 You too can have those so called privileges if you decide to write your thoughts and post them to the columns.

 But you can decide to write your thoughts below my thoughts. I think it is democracy and I like it as you.

 And as has been pointed out many times already, anyone can do as janis has done and make a huge fuss over nothing and start a whole diatribe about a column right here in the forums. 

And ya know what, I would bet you that this silliness has gotten far more attention than posting a rebuttal in the column ever would.....and also had what is likely the opposite effect of what janis wanted...he drew more attention to the column so more people have probably read it now. 

You´re right, girleegirl.

And democracy has another side.

"Ýddia sahibi iddiasýný ispatla mükelleftir. (Turkish)" 

"The side of the plaintiff is responsible for her/his claim to prove.(English)"

 If you can not proved it, it will be a claim forever.

come on!

the column on the main page and when u first open this site u see it first! I try to take ppl´s attention what s going on this site.

 thanks GG  exactly!!!!!

You know, there is none so blind as those who won´t see

Canim, a couple corrections:

- I am the most criticized person on TC, not you!

- everybody´s thoughs are one sided, because everybody has only their own perspective. your thoughts are one sided too, that is why we want many different people involved in a conversation to share their thoughts and hopefully get a bigger picture.

- mods or me do not support thehandsom, we do not owe him any money. sometimes we do AGREE with him!

Oh geezz... every LATEST column is on the main page!!!!! That´s just how it works!!!! Do you want to write your opinions on what´s going on in Turkey? If your column is the last one published, it will also be on the main page, no matter how nationalistic it will be!!!

 at first this threat was on the main page, but dear mods must be hided to forum

I must say that the article on the main page is an offense according to laws of Turkish Republic.

 Shouldn´t you be busy working on your column?

Regarding theHansom´s column:

It says "The title of document is : ‘Irtica Eylem Plani’ which can be translated as ´Action Plan for Sheria´ ...

Note his translation....even a cursory look up for the words doesn´t show Sheria in what was supposed to have been translated.

Irtica=-aý (political, social) reaction

Eylem=1. action. 2. operation.

Plani= planimetry, plano- concave.

I don´t know much about Turkish politics and I´ve got more than enough on my own plate to worry about and try to untangle....but looking at just this much causes me to question the credibility of what has been written.  The particular choice of words seems to me a strategic choice to elicit maximun reaction....and given the "West´s" obsession and misunderstanding of Sheria these days, rather melodramatic.....and to add to that, no comments allowed on this one.  Of course theH knew this would cause furor....It is rather rude, but within what is allowed.   Out of 19 columns, this is the only one restricting comments, is it any wonder it has caused extra reaction?

It´s really not to difficult to decipher.  It seems fairly clear that, being as he said "can be translated" .....that he is taking "Sheria" from the body of the document...and not making a literal translation of the actual title.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUHfsnsJD0

I have read thehandsom´s column several times and it is difficult decipher what is actually in this missing document and what are his own conclusions. At one point he says "if it is true you can conclude" and he then proceeds to put words in the mouths of the army. It is also difficult to believe that the army would let it be known their intention to plant weapons in the homes of government supporters. Is the Taraf newspaper where this document was first mentioned a large daily newspaper? It all seem a bit vague to me.

It seems that many people are taking what handsom has written as if it is some sort of definitive document.  It is a column people!  Handsom´s thoughts.  Right or wrong, nothing more, nothing less....that´s all it is. 

Much ado about nothing.

 of course I dont take his column serious. I never did.

but TC mods accept him as a wirte and allow him to write on main page.

Turkey sufferered too much from that kind of ppl coz first we never take serious things when some stupid ppl do.

for me this sitution is like "Midnight Express". we didnt take this film serious at first but it took too long time to change ppl´s thought about turkey.  still there are millions of ppl who think with the "midnight express".

GG and somefriends accuse me that I made him populer, they want me be silent and allow all members read turkey news as a daily things in turkey. and make ppl think everybody shoots around in the street.

 We are not idiots so quit acting like we are.  

Most members here are able to discern what is truth from what is someone´s opinion!  Just because a member....any member....posts something here does NOT mean that it is believed to be FACT! 

And I did not accuse you of anything.  I simply pointed out that I felt you brought much more attention to handsom´s column that it ever would have gotten without your rantings.  Quit being so damn paranoid!

 speak in ur place now others. I didnt say u believe. but how do u know others think same like you?

 because we do!!

Well, actually some how i do think Jan has a point...well even good one too...sorry guys but that is how i see it.

Ýf im a new member or a stranger on TLC and dont know handsom and the background of the debats we used to have here, and reading that column on the front page, actually yes i would give it credibility, as much as i have trust in TLC i would put same trust also at its columinist ! 

Disabling the comments is not fair as i see, and having the ability to comment at the forum not like posting the reply under the column and i think that is exactly why handsom disable it...he knew that.

You cant know how everyone think gg so no not everyone will pay the effort to know about something he think he already knew and that is what Jan meant i believe.

People already have imagination in their mind about Türkiye thanks to the Media and if they read what support that without even no argument...so...why would they waste their time to search more ?

They already know !

And i dont have to explain how much is the Media influence out there !

Ýf handsom or anyone got used the opportunity in publishing his thoughts in public he should also accept the burden of receiving the criticism...but he wanted to hear only one voice, and one side..his !

So it seems.

As cat said the opinions of the colominists doesnt represent TLC...i hope admin add this to the main page as well under the latest by Turkish Class colomnists with smaller font, that the columnists represt their opinions not TLC opinions.

If admin chooses to continue to allow comments on columns to be blocked then I think this is a great solution Canli.

 I agree with both Canlý and girleegirl.

But I truly hope that admin won´t choose to continue to allow comments on columns to be blocked. If the policy of the site is to allow criticism, then "criticism of criticism" should be allowed too.

I can see Jan´s point about how people will feel about Turkey after reading something that puts Turkey in a bad light.  Just consider this:  Do you think that endless debates on the columns, name calling, accusations, and the usual things that happen on the forums will make a new member to TC feel more welcome or less confused about Turkey?  Maybe the answer is to disable ALL the comments on the columns and leave the debating for the forums. 

 Meanwhile the column in question stands alone and unchallenged with direct links to the front page and open to all visitors to this site. It is full of wild allegations and the translation of the document title  is entirely wrong. Surely the admin or mod overlooking the columns should ask the author to correct the errors as it brings the columns into disrepute. All this under the heading "News from Turkey" as well.

Most of the members on this site is trying to learn somethings about turkey. of course I dont wait people write good things about turkey all the time. every country has bad or good things. We are here to share and help foreign ppl to answer their questions. but if you read his column or his posts carefully you will see that even nice things are written in a mocking or insulting way.

 Your worse than a woman Jan...are you still going on about this injustice.  I have been waiting for you to become our next new columnist here at TC.  You appear to like to pose your point of view and opinion.  So why not be constructive and write a column? Come on...

 dont sing the same song man dont you follow posts on this site.

they didnt want me be a moderator or columnist when I first asked to admins, they found my thoughts very extrem I mean being patriot is very extrem situation. there is a very long discussions about "Why janissary can not be a mod or columnist"

I will not beg for it to harem of this guy

Janni, read a few posts back and see that Kittie asked you to write your own column. So, please stop whining and get to write it. We know you´d like to see yourself as a victim of evil westerners plot but you aren´t. You´re just like everyone else just way more grumpy. I don´t think anybody was surprised when you didn´t become mod - after all politeness, manners or objectivity you show are far from what mods are expected to have. Write your own column, disable comments and just move on.

 Ãžekerim, you are like a broken band. repeating same things all the time, I advice you to read posts before writing ur own comments caným. I was not polite, objective but mods were??? dont be funny most of my posts were helpful to understand reality that u dont wanna see.

theh achieved his aim,all public attention drew to him and his column,and hiding behind..not taking part in open forum discussion,,,come on theh,are you such a coward????Temora is a bit disappointed with u

 Now now birdy calm down it is against the forum rules to criticize the chosen one.