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Marwa El Sherbini - 18 Stabs For hijab
1.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Jul 2009 Mon 01:46 pm

Freedom YES, they agree, they support with loud voices...but with another low voice they add...not for everyone !

Yes people are free and yes people are equal...but the point is...who are those people...that is the tiny ´but´ they add silently !

Ýts actually the people who pass their standards, not all the people !

Marwa El Sherbibi the 32 yrs old mother, Pharmacist and was also pragnent , and ex handball player at our national team wasnt one of those lucky people who pass the standards, so as easy as it can be he said ´ you dont deserve to live´ and stabbed her in COURT, yes you read correctly, in court 18 stabs, few of them nailed the husband when he throw himself on her to protect her when he got shot by the policeman gun..again let me repeat..got shot by the policeman in COURT and in front of their 3 old boy who talked to his uncle saying uncle i saw my mother and father been killed.and that happened to that boy..in COURT!

No that didnt happened in Ýran nor in Saudi Arabia...that happened in German!

The man said to her you dont deserve to live then killed her after harassing her for whole long year.

Why?

Well because she was Muslim and wearing hijab and refused to take it off, she said thats what i am and who i am, like it or not!

He didnt like it, and she didnt find anyone to protect her and protect her rights in that free country!

Even the policeman shot the husband when he was protecting his wife !

 How free they claim to be !

 

They didnt even express their sorrow...!

NONE!

Ý wonder if she was Jewish, what would the German authority have done ?!

 

The amazing thing is, those people inhabited our countries for years, well actually not inhabited it, but took it over , sucked them and drained them got developed on our account , even they didnt pay us what they have done to us and caused us and when we go to their countries, to work and earn our livings, or to study as in this case and PAY for it and live among them, they also complains and want us to fill under their standards or else we wont be accepted like the people who have rights and transform to some other species i guess that is OK to attack or even killed !

How SÝCK !

Ýnna Lillahi Ve Ýna Ýlayhi Raceon !

http://europenews.dk/en/node/24672

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lSmIcEbCHQ

http://www.casttv.com/video/lu11ec/the-muslem-marwa-al-sherbini-killed-in-german-court-drama-with-18-stabs-july-4th-video

http://www.egyptdailynews.com/news%20marwa.htm

 Here the pictures of her and her family seems that it was made by her friends or family and uploaded it on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvOLp0ruyA&feature=related

 



Edited (7/6/2009) by CANLI [mad actually!]
Edited (7/6/2009) by CANLI

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Jul 2009 Mon 03:04 pm

This is just insane Confused

3.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Jul 2009 Mon 08:07 pm

"The guards thought that as long as he wasn´t blond, he must be the attacker so they shot him," al-Sherbini told an Egyptian television station

According to numerous interviews in Egyptian local papers with el-Sherbini family, the man who stabbed al-Sherbini used to accuse her of being a "terrorist," and in one incident, he tried to take off her headscarf.

Laila Shams, al-Sherbini´smother, told the el-Wafd daily that her daughter said she´d difficulty finding a job in Germany because of her head scarf.

"One (employer) suggested she remove her head scarf to get a job. She said no," she said

An Egyptian blogger Hicham Maged, wrote "let us play the ´What If´ game."

"Just imagine if the situation was reversed and the victim was a Westerner who was stabbed anywhere in the world or — God forbid — in any Middle Eastern country by Muslim extremists," he said

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/world/egyptians-cry-racism-in-womans-slaying-in-germany-702470.html

 

The answer would be....terrorism, Muslim extremists,  Ãslamist.....ect you can have a longggg list related to Ýslam

But in that case, NO, not a terrorist, and its just 1 case !

1 case ?!

Should we check the statistics of the government..not even in real to see if its 1 case or not ?!!!

Ýts TERRORÝSM against muslims and the media skip an eye there...as i said species are OK to be killed !

 

HYPOCRÝSY !

4.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 06:00 am

 

Quoting CANLI

Freedom YES, they agree, they support with loud voices...but with another low voice they add...not for everyone !

Yes people are free and yes people are equal...but the point is...who are those people...that is the tiny ´but´ they add silently !

Ýts actually the people who pass their standards, not all the people !

Marwa El Sherbibi the 32 yrs old mother, Pharmacist and was also pragnent , and ex handball player at our national team wasnt one of those lucky people who pass the standards, so as easy as it can be he said ´ you dont deserve to live´ and stabbed her in COURT, yes you read correctly, in court 18 stabs, few of them nailed the husband when he throw himself on her to protect her when he got shot by the policeman gun..again let me repeat..got shot by the policeman in COURT and in front of their 3 old boy who talked to his uncle saying uncle i saw my mother and father been killed.and that happened to that boy..in COURT!

No that didnt happened in Ýran nor in Saudi Arabia...that happened in German!

The man said to her you dont deserve to live then killed her after harassing her for whole long year.

Why?

Well because she was Muslim and wearing hijab and refused to take it off, she said thats what i am and who i am, like it or not!

He didnt like it, and she didnt find anyone to protect her and protect her rights in that free country!

Even the policeman shot the husband when he was protecting his wife !

 How free they claim to be !

 

They didnt even express their sorrow...!

NONE!

Ý wonder if she was Jewish, what would the German authority have done ?!

 

The amazing thing is, those people inhabited our countries for years, well actually not inhabited it, but took it over , sucked them and drained them got developed on our account , even they didnt pay us what they have done to us and caused us and when we go to their countries, to work and earn our livings, or to study as in this case and PAY for it and live among them, they also complains and want us to fill under their standards or else we wont be accepted like the people who have rights and transform to some other species i guess that is OK to attack or even killed !

How SÝCK !

Ýnna Lillahi Ve Ýna Ýlayhi Raceon !

http://europenews.dk/en/node/24672

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lSmIcEbCHQ

http://www.casttv.com/video/lu11ec/the-muslem-marwa-al-sherbini-killed-in-german-court-drama-with-18-stabs-july-4th-video

http://www.egyptdailynews.com/news%20marwa.htm

 Here the pictures of her and her family seems that it was made by her friends or family and uploaded it on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvOLp0ruyA&feature=related

 

 

Stabbed 18 times???!!!  Where there no guards, police around? How on earth can someone be stabbed 18 times in a court of law?  This is of course, a huge disgrace, in fact, there are no words to express what this is. 

 

May she rest in peace and may her little son grow to be a honor to her memory.

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 06:20 am

I have to say that if you want to be fair, you have to cry out EQUALLY when a Muslim man (like Mohammed Bouyeri) brutally murders and innocent man (like Theo van Gogh), for criticizing Islam, and millions like him threaten to murder others for criticizing Islam, and million of others chant "death to those who insult Islam". Be fair Canli and Alameda!!! All human lifes are equal!!! You are hypocrites if you only cry about lost Muslim lifes, or discrimination against Muslims by non-Muslims!!! The same exact, but opposite thing happens in YOUR culture and YOUR religion!!! Do you ever raise that problem as well or are you blind to it?

 

With that said, what happened in this incident is a criminal and absolutely atrocious murder. I can hardly believe this happening in a court. Absolutely abhorrent and just leaves me speechless. I hope she rests in peace and I hope that nobody who participated in this horrible cruelty goes unpunished.

 

I also have to say that I find the level of racism against Muslims to be very high and blatant. I am shocked at times how openly some people say racist things about Muslims in this country, it is just unacceptable. In fact I have seen a lovely, Muslim lady today in a doctor´s office who requested to see a female doctor (although she later said that she understood if we couldn´t provide her one), yet some of the comments that were made about this were just terrible.



Edited (7/7/2009) by catwoman

6.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 01:17 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I have to say that if you want to be fair, you have to cry out EQUALLY when a Muslim man (like Mohammed Bouyeri) brutally murders and innocent man (like Theo van Gogh), for criticizing Islam, and millions like him threaten to murder others for criticizing Islam, and million of others chant "death to those who insult Islam". Be fair Canli and Alameda!!! All human lifes are equal!!! You are hypocrites if you only cry about lost Muslim lifes, or discrimination against Muslims by non-Muslims!!! The same exact, but opposite thing happens in YOUR culture and YOUR religion!!! Do you ever raise that problem as well or are you blind to it?

 

With that said, what happened in this incident is a criminal and absolutely atrocious murder. I can hardly believe this happening in a court. Absolutely abhorrent and just leaves me speechless. I hope she rests in peace and I hope that nobody who participated in this horrible cruelty goes unpunished.

 

I also have to say that I find the level of racism against Muslims to be very high and blatant. I am shocked at times how openly some people say racist things about Muslims in this country, it is just unacceptable. In fact I have seen a lovely, Muslim lady today in a doctor´s office who requested to see a female doctor (although she later said that she understood if we couldn´t provide her one), yet some of the comments that were made about this were just terrible.

 

 Ãf i want to be fair ?!

Ý think the words fair and justice have no place anymore wouldnt you say ?!

They are just words, you use them when it suits

This happened in COURTROOM..where supposed to be the place where you can find or get those funny words...fair and justice!

Look my dear, those words are very nice indeed but when used by your Media to demand fair and justice from terrorist Muslims...im afraid that is the usage you know about those words.

 

Ým hypocrites if i only cry about lost Muslim lives, or discrimination against Muslims by non-Muslims?!

Actually, i cry Marwa, a 32 old woman who has been killed voilently infront of her 3 yrs old boy for nothing other than being Muslim and wearing Hijab!

And i´m a hypocrite for that ?!

Who is the hypocrite now ?

To give excuses and justification for her killing ´murder´ because a Muslim killed non muslim before ?!

Your comment about this are no different than many other comments actually, like..well you kill your muslim woman in your countries, then why are you crying her...or yes as another one who said but there was an old man killed by muslims too then.... or, it was her mistake, she should have ignored him and not sue him...etc

So you justify her killing by that ?!

Ýts OK to kill Muslim woman in your countries ?

 

OK following that same logic , then can you please count how many Muslim been killed by your hands in Ýraq and Afghanistan and compare them of how many Western been killed by Muslims ?!

What ?!

Those people not count or their lives are cheap compaired to yours ?!!!

So would you say by following same logic, it was OK for Muslims to kill those people because US and actually UK have killed more Muslims than Muslims did ?!

 

What kind of logic is that ?!

 

And let´s see, in my religion and in my country...mmmmmm

NOPE, actually no one has been killed in our courtrooms and shot by the policeman just for being Christian.

So actually, NO, same thing doesnt and didnt happen here by my culture or my religion

A nice debate was here in TV, the interviewer was wondering, why those people hate us that much ´Westerns he meant´ because we invaded their countries before ?

Egypt took over England for 100 of year and sucked it resources or something

Are we bombing Germany, France and killing their people everyday like US doing...

Why those people hate us that much?!

A woman walking in the streats covering her hair...what kind of problems she is doing to others ?!

He didnt find the answer actually, and i dont find one too!

 

So, NO, that NEVER happened in my country before so i raise that problem

Of course if it happened you would have knew about it in your Media, unlike Marwa, who wasnt important enough for the Media to talk about it!

Humanrights wouldnt be silent about it either...so dont worry

Ý wonder where is the humanrights now in Marwa´s case...blind of course...she is Muslim..so seems she has no rights!

Muslims are the terrorists, but that man...mmm well, now they say he is retarded

Ýronic isnt it?

Before the trail they say he is a normal person, but after what he did he became retarded, not terrorist of course...only Muslims are !

 

And you ask ME to be fair ?!

Hmmm, what kind of ´fair´ do you want me to be, your version of fairness?!

Ok, read this and tell me about ´fair´ again

You know what the policeman said to justify shooting the husband ?

He said he was a witness at the next room when they called for him so he came and saw the husband...not blond and not Caucasian and the woman, and that blond Caucasian man, so he thought OF COURSE the husband is the criminal and shot him...

 

How about that ?!

Fair you say ?!

 

PS: ´you´ generally speaking



Edited (7/7/2009) by CANLI

7.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 03:53 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I have to say that if you want to be fair, you have to cry out EQUALLY when a Muslim man (like Mohammed Bouyeri) brutally murders and innocent man (like Theo van Gogh), for criticizing Islam, and millions like him threaten to murder others for criticizing Islam, and million of others chant "death to those who insult Islam". Be fair Canli and Alameda!!! All human lifes are equal!!! You are hypocrites if you only cry about lost Muslim lifes, or discrimination against Muslims by non-Muslims!!! The same exact, but opposite thing happens in YOUR culture and YOUR religion!!! Do you ever raise that problem as well or are you blind to it?

 

We should put the record straight. With this comment you are putting Canli and Alameda in the limelight whereas the real focus should be on the tragedy itself. We should indeed be as fair and conscious when reacting to tragic incidents of this sort. Nevertheless, humans have selective interests and this manifests itself in almost everything they do.  Incidents happening in your neighborhood, town or country have a greater impact on you. We are bound to live in the middle of certain circles such as of our own ego, ethnicity, culture, sex etc.

 

It would be a very serious accusation to assume that Canli and Alameda were indifferent to the murder of van Gogh. It is just their selective interest. 

 

 

8.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 07:14 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

.............It would be a very serious accusation to assume that Canli and Alameda were indifferent to the murder of van Gogh. ..................

 

 

I think more to the point is the fact that the subject of this thread is about a innocent pregnant Muslim woman and her husband who were brutally attacked and stabbed (the woman to death) in a public court of law in the supposed civilized country of Germany.  The attacker was able to inflict 18 stab wounds on the woman....!!!!...and her husband who was trying to protect her was shot in his attempt.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 07:23 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I have to say that if you want to be fair, you have to cry out EQUALLY when a Muslim man (like Mohammed Bouyeri) brutally murders and innocent man (like Theo van Gogh), for criticizing Islam, and millions like him threaten to murder others for criticizing Islam, and million of others chant "death to those who insult Islam". Be fair Canli and Alameda!!! All human lifes are equal!!! You are hypocrites if you only cry about lost Muslim lifes, or discrimination against Muslims by non-Muslims!!! The same exact, but opposite thing happens in YOUR culture and YOUR religion!!! Do you ever raise that problem as well or are you blind to it?

 

With that said, what happened in this incident is a criminal and absolutely atrocious murder. I can hardly believe this happening in a court. Absolutely abhorrent and just leaves me speechless. I hope she rests in peace and I hope that nobody who participated in this horrible cruelty goes unpunished.

 

I also have to say that I find the level of racism against Muslims to be very high and blatant. I am shocked at times how openly some people say racist things about Muslims in this country, it is just unacceptable. In fact I have seen a lovely, Muslim lady today in a doctor´s office who requested to see a female doctor (although she later said that she understood if we couldn´t provide her one), yet some of the comments that were made about this were just terrible.

 

 

Excuse me????!!!! How do you know I didn´t say anything about that?...but more to the point, what does any of this have to do with this case?

 

Have you ever worn a hijab?  I mean really, try it for a month or so and then report back on your experience.  What if the dominant society were a bare breasted lion cloth wearing one? Would you be comfortable going around bare breasted? Would you wear only a sarong, letting it all hang out, so you could "fit in"?



Edited (7/9/2009) by alameda [spell]

10.       lady in red
6947 posts
 12 Nov 2009 Thu 04:17 pm

Marwa el-Shebini´s killer was this week sentenced to life imprisonment by the German courts.

 

Article in The Independent

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