None heard of him im sure, even i found hard time trying to collect those info

Ýmam Ali Mohammed  burnt alive at his house when he went to clean it before he actually leave to another area because of  anti-Muslim harassment , but... they were faster !

Ýmam Ali Mohammed, formerly of Yermo, was found dead- burnt alive- at his house. His house was a lot that contained several buildings, one of them was used as the Yermo mosque. In 2007, that mosque was burnt down. The suspects were arrested, however, it was not considered a hate crime.

Imam Ali´s family is well known in the High Desert- those of you not familiar, California has a high desert northeast of Los Angeles, the cities of Palmdale, Lancaster, Edwards Air Force Base, Rosmond, Barstow, Victerville, Apple Valley, and others make up this region- he was a regular khateeb (Friday Sermons) at the Palmdale Mosque. He was the father of nine kids, Jordanian immigrant, who had resided here for some 30 years ago.

Imam Ali´s Mosque in Yermo served some 200 Muslims in that area and some 22 families were regular attendees. Imam Ali decided to close up and move his family to Victorville, some 30 minutes away. The family says they had had a difficult time dealing with the anti-Muslim harassment and prejudice by individuals in the area.

Imam Ali went back to his house in Yermo, after reports came to the family that the house had been vandalized.

The Pictures are here

http://cair-california.org/index.php/News/Hate-Graffiiti-at-Yermo-House.html

Source:

http://affadshaikh.blogspot.com/2009/07/hate-crime-in-inland-empire.html

Another with Video

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=6898362

The irritating thig is, if he was a priest in Türkiye, Egypt or any other Muslim country, the WHOLE world would have know about it and would goes for days and days at the Media how torrirists Muslims are !

May ALLAH rest his soul !

who cares if a muslim is killed by christians? one million of them are killed in Iraq. One million of "terrorists" for christians. If someone is killed by christians,  he is a terrorist or a terrorist, and the death of a terrorist doesn`t deserve media coverage.

The picture sums up everything nicely.

 Like it happened with Marwa El Sherbini, our Egyptian woman who was stabbed at courtroom in Germany 18 time and the police shot her husband who was helping her and also stabbed 5 times.

What is making me actually mad is the reaction of people at forums, youtube ..etc

Some is happy and calling for more death

Some saying , and many women die for honor killing ´ i dont understand what does this really justify´

Some saying we dont want Muslims living with us, go home ´ ok dont come to our countries too ! ´

Some saying the killer is a hero

And few, really few saying its sad dont condemn all german society for that !

They Truly...TRULY hate us with a full meaning of that word in a way i never expected nor dreamed of !

They plant hate, and then blame us !

And cant understand why !

It is very hard to understand why people hate other people that they don´t even know.  Things like this go on everywhere, Canli.....against every conceiveable group or minority, not just muslims, or christians, or jews, or women....hate is a human disease.  It rises out of misinformation, ignorance and then festers until it can no longer be contained but explodes into a violent act that makes us wonder how society can breed such monsters. 

My heart is troubled though, Canli.....troubled that this site is used as a tool, not to discuss a hate crime and how terrible it is, but for certain groups to "prove" how they are being treated badly, misunderstood, ect......I am sure if I googled "hate crimes against Christians" (or against women, or against anyone) I would find some horrible article to "prove" that the world hates Christians (or whoever) and we could argue about how the world hates Muslims more....but enough already. 

Maybe I am totally off base, but this is getting old......I want to read something on this site that inspires me.  The truth of the matter is, most muslims and christians live together in peace.....I am living proof that it is possible.  Where is Roswitha to post some lovely articles about Turkish culture when we need her? 

Good post Lisa  

the issue here is the christian hypocrisy, not who kills whom.  google this murder and see what you get. any news on cnn? fox news? if a christian priest was killed in a muslim country all the christian media would be talking about it, and you would see all the christian comments on the internet, suggesting muslims are animals and the christians should nuke them? where are the news for this man killed? why doesn`t it deserve the coverage a christian would get? would you know about this murder if canli hadn`t opened this thread?      but if it`s muslim it`s a terrorist and he deserves getting murdered, right? so who cares? we can`t even call the murderers christian terrorists when they clearly are because according to this famous christian motto "not all muslims are terrorists but all the terrorists are muslims". so there is nothing called christian terrorist, and thus this murder didn`t exist.

 tami - Christians do not corner the market on hypocracy.  What you are saying is ......Not all Christians are hypocrits but all Hypocrits are Christians?  My point is, I personally am tired of this arguement...it is old and quite frankly, there is not way that either of us can win.  I can find an article to support my view just as easily.....big deal.  Then you will find one, and then I will find another.....it accomplishes nothing.  It doesn´t make me feel better to prove myself right or to prove you wrong.  It takes something away from who we are when all we can do is perpetuate the hate between us.  PEACE OUT!!

just like what Bush says, eh?  btw, I`ve never said, "not all the christians are hypocrites but all the hypocrites are christians" that`s your motto, and I have no intention to use it as it`s not very creative.

what`s tami? I googled it and came across with this stuff

TAMI Logo 1347 x 489 - 66k - jpg www.ta-swiss.ch	Tami Chynn´s new single ...

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

what`s tami? I googled it and came across with this stuff

 

TAMI Logo 1347 x 489 - 66k - jpg www.ta-swiss.ch	Tami Chynn´s new single ...

 

 

 

Oh maybe it was a typo for ´tamam´ -It took me a whole two minutes to think of that!

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

what`s tami? I googled it and came across with this stuff

 

TAMI Logo 1347 x 489 - 66k - jpg www.ta-swiss.ch	Tami Chynn´s new single ...

 

 

 

hmmmmm......what a difference a few months can make.  The outsite is totally different but the rhetoric is the same.....

 Alleluia....

 Well Elisabith, its hard to put head in sand and pretend everything is fine, as much as i would love to, because im too my heart is troubled from what we see, but i just cant, they are forced on us.

Ý dont know if you meant me by what you said or not

But when posting a news about hate crimes aginist muslims would that be using the site as a tool to prove" how they are being treated badly but when posting hate crimes muslims did that would be showing the real face of Ýslam ?!

We have many posts like that dont we ?

Ým just in the middle of discussion with german who think and let me quote

´´ think about 80 Percent of european people are thinking like me. Maybe more. BUT we stay peaceful, thats the big difference compared to your culture´´

And that is think Muslims have no place at Europe and they should go back home, and they are the source of all evil !

So you see, even i´d like to pretend that everything are fine, see the world through pink glasses im forced to think again and i dont have the luxury to do so .

Ý wish you say that out loud Elisabith maybe more people would understand that it can happen, we can live in peace together and stop exchange the hate that they already spreading !

 Considering all the horrid things we have read here that Muslims have been accused of, this is really not very much at all.

 When something is mentioned it´s given a "move along now, nothing to see here" treatment.

 You are absolutely right, alameda.  Muslims have been accused of doing horrible things....many people have.....my point is, we need to stop.  I am not saying we should stop posting articles about hate crimes, I am simply saying that we need to stop perpetuating the behavior that ensures the continuance of hate crimes.  When things are posted in such a way as to remove the objectiveness of a story then it compels other people to find an equally horrifying article supporting their view....and so on and so on....tempers flare and nothing constructive comes out of it.  When we do this, we are engaging in the same behaviors as the perpetrators of hate crime.  I think we can do better.  We should begin to discuss these issues as an offense to humanity.  The aim of terrorist and perpetrators of hate crimes is not just to kill people but to create more hate.  Let´s try not to help them with that.

 You have many good points, Elisabeth....and you know I was thinking about Texas and some of the great Texas exports and have to admit...........I loved Ann Richards....in fact I´ve got a photo of her on a Harley at my desk.....then there is Jim Hightower....another great Texan!

Yes, it´s a delicate balance....and those who promote division like us to keep our eyes diverted. ...but at the same time, isn´t it good to recognize and speak up against wrongs?

This reminds me of the Sivas massacre when the bunch of angry muslims set a hotel on fire where Alevi intellectuals had a meeting, which resulted in 33 deaths by BURNING ALIVE!!! A hate crime by Muslims against non-muslims.

and how does that relate to the point of the thread?

 So you´re saying ?!

Ýts fine he was killed ?

Ý dont get your point !

At least that proves my point, you knew about those bunch of muslims who set the fire in Türkiye but you dont know about Ali Mohammed even he was killed at the USA where you live...not thousands of miles away !

Point taken .

Ým sure if i want i can find many other examples in response to what you are saying here and you wouldnt know anything about them as well.

But what i dont get it, is why was its irritating you that much you werent even able to say ´ its bad crime´ when i posted hate crimes against muslims but when the post be hate crime done by muslims you find other examples as well ?

Are crimes acceptable when its done to us but horrible when muslims do it and deserve many comments on how bad muslims can be ?

And you talk about double standards ?!!!!

Sometimes I think it would be better if the entire world were like me, infidel. But then again. It is a human disease indeed. People would soon find another reason to feel hatred towards each other. It´s a shame such things happen.

 Canlý, I understand your frustration. However, you shouldn´t take such internetcomments too seriously. Most of them are said within the safety of cyber-environment, yes, but that doesn´t mean that people speak the truth. It means they think less about the consequences of their words and often speak without having thought of it. You would be surprized how many people exaggerate their opinion online, not because that is what they really think, just because it is easy and cool to be a ´bit more´ than you usually are. But ofcourse, it shows a tendency in the way some people really think unfortunately One of our politicians asked to be calculated how much ´non-western foreigners´ in our country cost society. That is asking how expensive muslims are in our country :-S Now its a disgusting thing that happened, but I am really glad: if it is calculated well, he will see that our society goes bankrupt with all ´these muslims´ But again, nothing to take too serious. If I would base my idea on how the muslim-world thinks based on youtube/internet-comments, I´d really be scared of ´them´.

But.. it made you talk in ´they hate us´.    Most people of  what you call ´they´ (my ´us´ ) do not hate most people of what you call ´us´ (your they ).

No, of course this crime is not acceptable, I have said it before, but I am wondering if it is this way for some Muslims! When a muslim person is hated and killed for her/his religion, it seems to concern the Muslims around the world, but when the Muslims hate and kill others, does that concern you? I am simply wondering if your concern for hate crime is only there when Muslims are the victims or if you truly care about people in general.

no it`s the other way around, people are free to speak up what they think on the internet.  That`s not the case in real life because they will feel ashamed to throw out hatred in presense of other people. So those comments we read on the internet are the pure thoughts of these people.

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One of our politicians asked to be calculated how much ´non-western foreigners´ in our country cost society. That is asking how expensive muslims are in our country :-S Now its a disgusting thing that happened, but I am really glad: if it is calculated well, he will see that our society goes bankrupt with all ´these muslims´

ask any economist and he will tell you that the economic benefits from immigrants will always  outweight the cost to the society in long term.  (higher labor supply --> lower wages, higher employment --> decreased cost production, higher number of business activities --> increased labor demand, increased wages )So why do politicians always play the card of hatred against immigrants? it`s because they are not economists but politicians. it`s not surprising that the nazist christian parties in the west speculate that muslim immigrants will hurt the economy. their concern is not the economy but racism.

that`s actually more of a your type of hypocrisy, and the point of the thread is exactly this. And how do we come to this conclusion?

when muslims kill non-muslims you will see every bit of detail about the incident in media, but when christians kill non-christians (especially muslims) no one will care about it, google this murder and see if you can find anything on the major news sites.

Btw. I`m an Alevi myself, so don`t try to use the Sivas massacre for your cheap argument.

My cheap argument, geez. Is this a discussion for you or a fight, if you want to fight go punch your boxing bag, otherwise, I expect some level of respect here.

I have said it in the past, that I agree that there is a level of discrimination against muslims around the world, however, it is undeniable that muslims are not innocent either. Sivas massacre was a burning alive of dozens of people, not a single person, which I´m sure goes on a lot without much ado, so I don´t think that these two are comparable.

Anyway, I don´t know a lot about muslim-nonmuslim issues, so I won´t talk about it, but it does strike me that all these muslims who are so outraged when something is done unjustly against them, are completely quiet when they are the perpetrators. That is what I called the double standard.

If you think the Sivas Massacre is not acknowledged in Turkey, you`re wrong. Just because you don`t hear anything about Alevis in Europe doesn`t mean this massacre is not acknowledged in Turkey. And why don`t you hear anything about Alevis in Europe despite the fact that they are the most oppressed people of Turkey along with Gypsies? It`s because they don`t have a terrorist group and they didn`t do the dirty jobs of the Christians in the Muslim genocide of Iraq unlike some very infamous group of people in Turkey. This is what I call double standard.

 Well, it is relaly not like ´no one cares´. If the media doesn´t show the people, then how can they form a correct opinion.  The world would be a better place if media were free and reported without biase. You are very correct in your statement about the media towards muslims, but incorrect when you think ´christians just don´t care´.

 You dont get it !

When there are 2 families living in one place, one black, and the other is white, when anything bad, wrong has been done, others point to the black everytime

When its proven correct, family of the black says, he is wrong, he should be corrected

Then happened again and again, always blame the black even without evidence, then when the white does something wrong, they also blame the black because he done wrong before

Blame the black and excuse the white

When black did something bad to black one like him, it goes peacefuly, whites dont even care...as in ´good they are killing each others´

And its happening same way always

So tell me, would the family of the black keep saying he was wrong and he should be corrected ?!

Well, you already say more than that, when he´s guilty and when he´s innocent .

The rule became, he  always to blame and white always innocent....so be it !

Btw, when Muslims commit hate crimes we do condemn them but actually you dont hear and dont want to hear too.

Well Canli, aren´t you missing a wonderful opportunity here? Why don´t you post that information here when you come across it so that we can all hear about them too?

+1000000000000000000000

that would definitely be enlightening information for all of us!

 I won´t speak for Canli, but I have posted information such as you mention, numerous times....and I have also noticed no comments regarding them.  It was like blowing in the wind.

 Ãm not missing anything gg actually i dont even have the chance to miss anything lol

You wouldnt need me to hear about anything muslims did , you ´in general term´ do a very good job that even we hear about them from you ´your media´ first hand and here too at TLC 

hmmmm,  Ã thought my example was clear  

 That´s exactly my point Canli.  You say we (general term) don´t hear and don´t WANT to hear examples of Muslims condeming hate crimes of other Muslims. 

You say "our media" doesn´t convey the other side of the story and that only there are only negative portrayals of Muslims on TC.......so then why don´t you educate us? 

I would think you would relish the opportunity to prove "us" wrong.

 Gosh alameda.....why aren´t you addressing me since it was my comment that you are referring to?   Do you think someone has to comment on every post that you make?  No comments or responses to any particular post doesn´t mean a thing!  

But if you want my opinion ...and I know you do....maybe no one commented because you can tend to be a bit preachy and loquacious in your posts.

 Done it and you ´general term´  werent interested

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_27720_154

Even it was done by Muslims, in a muslim country too, and we as muslims point out to it even here at TLC but it wasnt appealing enough because the victim was muslim not Christian or any other...you didnt know about it at your country because your media werent interested.

Do you want to play ´ what if ´ ?

What if the victim were Christian...want to guess what the reaction would be ?!

No need, yes?

Actually, for that educational part, i have new trend in cases like this after trying the other ways before i found out self education if the best.

PS: sorry for not replying earlier, i wasnt around