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Privates died after lieutenant punished one for sleeping on duty
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1.       alex de souza
60 posts
 27 Aug 2009 Thu 02:33 pm

Four soldiers were killed in the eastern province of Elazýð on Aug. 17 after a lieutenant gave one of the privates a hand grenade whose pin he had pulled out to punish him for sleeping during his night watch.

 

 

Early the next day, Lt. Tümer called Öztürk to ask where his hand grenade was. When Öztürk could not find his grenade, the lieutenant showed him the explosive, saying it was taken by Sgt. Akçan when he was sleeping during his night watch. The lieutenant then pulled out the pin of the grenade and gave it to Öztürk, saying he would not die if he held the primer of the explosive tightly.

“Öztürk begged the lieutenant to give him back the pin. He said he was just 25 years old and had 75 days left to complete his military service. ‘You will kill me,´ he told Lt. Tümer,” Sgt. Yiðit Acar stated during his testimony.

Acar also stated that Tümer told noncommissioned officers in the military facility that he had given Öztürk a live hand grenade to teach him a good lesson.

Sgt. Akçan told military prosecutors that the explosion occurred about 15 or 20 minutes after Lt. Tümer pulled the pin out of the grenade and gave it to the private. “While I was supervising soldiers during the night watch, I saw Öztürk sleeping. I took his hand grenade and gave it to Lt. Tümer. The lieutenant called Öztürk up and gave him the activated grenade. He told him to wait till he gave back the pin. Fifteen or 20 minutes later, the explosion took place,” the sergeant stated.

Pvt. Recep Koyuncu claimed that Öztürk asked the lieutenant several times to return the pin, saying: “Lt. Tümer told Öztürk to return to his position and wait for him. A few minutes later, Öztürk asked the lieutenant for the pin. Lt. Tümer declined his request. The blast occurred moments after.”

During his testimony, Lt. Tümer admitted giving a live hand grenade to Öztürk. “Öztürk asked me to give him the pin. I told him to return to his position and that I would place the pin into the grenade soon. It was around 11 a.m. or 11:30 a.m. I don´t remember exactly when. We heard an explosion. When I turned back, I saw Öztürk falling face down,” stated the lieutenant. He also claimed that he punished the private in line with the military´s training procedures.

Öztürk was reportedly asking his friends for a pin when the hand grenade exploded. The four fallen soldiers were buried on Aug. 18.

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-185257-privates-died-after-lieutenant-punished-one-for-sleeping-on-duty.html


2.       _AE_
677 posts
 27 Aug 2009 Thu 02:38 pm

I saw theH posted this on another thread.  It is shocking - this kind of military "bullying" seems to be common in all country´s forces and is sick.  I hope the Lt will be tried and convicted of murder.

 

It confirms my suspicion of men who choose this kind of life as a career...



Edited (8/27/2009) by _AE_

3.       lady in red
6947 posts
 27 Aug 2009 Thu 02:57 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

I saw theH posted this on another thread.  It is shocking - this kind of military "bullying" seems to be common in all country´s forces and is sick.  I hope the Lt will be tried and convicted of murder.

 

It confirms my suspicion of men who choose this kind of life as a career...

 

We have heard a lot of horror stories of young British soldiers committing suicide as a result of excessive bullying in the armed forces but this incident is really beyond belief and a real tragedy.

4.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Aug 2009 Thu 09:39 pm

 

Quoting alex de souza

Four soldiers were killed in the eastern province of Elazýð on Aug. 17 after a lieutenant gave one of the privates a hand grenade whose pin he had pulled out to punish him for sleeping during his night watch.

 

 

Early the next day, Lt. Tümer called Öztürk to ask where his hand grenade was. When Öztürk could not find his grenade, the lieutenant showed him the explosive, saying it was taken by Sgt. Akçan when he was sleeping during his night watch. The lieutenant then pulled out the pin of the grenade and gave it to Öztürk, saying he would not die if he held the primer of the explosive tightly.

“Öztürk begged the lieutenant to give him back the pin. He said he was just 25 years old and had 75 days left to complete his military service. ‘You will kill me,´ he told Lt. Tümer,” Sgt. Yiðit Acar stated during his testimony.

Acar also stated that Tümer told noncommissioned officers in the military facility that he had given Öztürk a live hand grenade to teach him a good lesson.

Sgt. Akçan told military prosecutors that the explosion occurred about 15 or 20 minutes after Lt. Tümer pulled the pin out of the grenade and gave it to the private. “While I was supervising soldiers during the night watch, I saw Öztürk sleeping. I took his hand grenade and gave it to Lt. Tümer. The lieutenant called Öztürk up and gave him the activated grenade. He told him to wait till he gave back the pin. Fifteen or 20 minutes later, the explosion took place,” the sergeant stated.

Pvt. Recep Koyuncu claimed that Öztürk asked the lieutenant several times to return the pin, saying: “Lt. Tümer told Öztürk to return to his position and wait for him. A few minutes later, Öztürk asked the lieutenant for the pin. Lt. Tümer declined his request. The blast occurred moments after.”

During his testimony, Lt. Tümer admitted giving a live hand grenade to Öztürk. “Öztürk asked me to give him the pin. I told him to return to his position and that I would place the pin into the grenade soon. It was around 11 a.m. or 11:30 a.m. I don´t remember exactly when. We heard an explosion. When I turned back, I saw Öztürk falling face down,” stated the lieutenant. He also claimed that he punished the private in line with the military´s training procedures.

Öztürk was reportedly asking his friends for a pin when the hand grenade exploded. The four fallen soldiers were buried on Aug. 18.

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-185257-privates-died-after-lieutenant-punished-one-for-sleeping-on-duty.html


 

 This is nothing short of  a barbaric murder and if I was the parent of that young man I would want blood spilled.  This makes me so angry, words fail me.

5.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 07:12 pm

Now people are asking more and more questions and raising their voice:

How many of our sons dies in accidents? how much lies di dwe have so far? etc

..

This incident shows how an institution, the military, which is funded by the state, lacks supervision. Actually, in a democratic regime, every penny of tax paid should be monitored, and everyone should know how the state spends this money. How can a state and its military be credible, transparent and reliable when they do not refrain from saying that the cause of death of the four soldiers in Elazig was an accident?" asks Altan. In further remarks, he says he wonders whether Turkey will ever have a military that is transparent, auditable and does not cover up its mistakes with official lies. "We need this for the safety of our children´s lives"

....

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/...-unaccountable-military.html

 

Btw...

The incident was made news by Daily Taraf..

We should all thank to them. By making this news, they possibly prevented similar incidents which might have happened in the future..

 

Where are the little mice of TC who never fail to lick army boots when ever a chance is given?  

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 07:24 pm

Just a curious question: has there ever been a debate in Turkey about making militairy service not compulsory anymore? Like in other countries where the army is professional?

7.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 07:54 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Just a curious question: has there ever been a debate in Turkey about making militairy service not compulsory anymore? Like in other countries where the army is professional?

 

Dunno...better ask thehandsom.  <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

8.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 07:56 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Just a curious question: has there ever been a debate in Turkey about making militairy service not compulsory anymore?

 

yeah

 

Quote:

Like in other countries where the army is professional?

 

what are those other countries? many countries have compulsory military service just like Turkey.

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 08:07 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 

 

Dunno...better ask thehandsom.  <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 

Good to know that you now have realized what you dont know..lol

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Aug 2009 Sat 08:12 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Just a curious question: has there ever been a debate in Turkey about making militairy service not compulsory anymore? Like in other countries where the army is professional?

 

Yes there has been a debate..But it was stopped by the army as they know that if the army is not compulsary they would not be as influencial as they are now..

But I am sure, we will have a professional army very soon..

It is kind of unavoidable..

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