Leader of Muslim separatist group killed in Detroit

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A leader of a Muslim separatist group was shot and killed by authorities in the Detroit area on Wednesday as they moved to arrest him on federal criminal charges, the FBI said in a statement.

Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, was a leader in a group known as Ummah or "the brotherhood," a mostly African-American group of converts to Islam that seeks to establish a separate Sharia law-governed state within the United States, the FBI said.

Abdullah and 10 other people were charged with conspiring to commit federal crimes, including theft from interstate shipments, mail fraud, illegal possession and sale of firearms, and tampering with motor vehicle identification numbers.

None was charged with terrorism or terrorism-related crimes.

Federal agents carried out a series of arrests on Wednesday, ordering suspects to surrender.

"At one location, four suspects surrendered and were arrested without incident. Luqman Ameen Abdullah did not surrender and fired his weapon. An exchange of gun fire followed and Abdullah was killed," the FBI statement said.

Abdullah had espoused the use of violence against law enforcement, and had trained members of his group in use of firearms and martial arts in anticipation of some type of action against the government, according to an affidavit unsealed on Wednesday.

The group Ummah consists primarily of people who converted to Islam while serving sentences in various U.S. prisons, Detroit television station WDIV reported on its website.

The FBI said the group was led by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, a major figure in the militant Black Panther party in the 1960s. Brown is serving a prison sentence for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.

I wonder what the Kurdophiles will say about this oppression.

Muslim blacks have right to have their own country as much as the christian white europeans in the US. What America is doing is pure oppression and fascism. we can`t blame the muslim blacks for forming illegal groups to get their rights. this is the result of the centuries of white oppressionagainst the blacks. isn`t it?

 Why is a Muslim wearing a Turban?

why shouldn`t he?

What is the point of this article?  To prove that criminals who resist arrest and shoot at police may get killed?  DUHHHH??  He may be muslim but he is also suspected of selling weapons and a bunch of other stuff.  The FBI only wanted to arrest him, but he resisted.  Sorry, don´t feel bad for this guy!  Cops shoot plenty of stupid Christians too! 

I am appalled! How dare the Nazi Christian police shoot a criminal who opens fire when facing being arrested! I believe all criminals should be allowed to walk free on the condition they are either black or Muslim or both!

apparently, according to the author of this thread, if you´re a muslim, you should have special privilages in the nazi christian world!

apparently, accoording to the members here, muslims shouldn`t have special privilages but Kurds should have them.

you call them criminals but isn`t this just a reaction to the hundreds years of oppression and white crimes against the blacks? how can you blame them?

 Ok...let me see if I understand your "reasoning"....blacks have been opressed, so they have the right to shoot at federal officers who are just doing their job?  Somehow, I don´t think this guy is fighting for anyones civil rights.   

Your thread about Kurds has been locked.  This thread is about a criminal that you would like to say is some kind of pillar of society who was wronged.  Keep your thread straights, will you?? 

no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?

 I purposely stay out of Kurdish/Turkish arguements because I feel I don´t know enough about the history.  But I don´t think anyone has said in this forum that Turkish soldiers / civilians deserve to be killed or that Kurds have the right to kill anyone.

ANYWAY, back to the topic of people who break American laws and shoot at police....they will probably not win that battle!

Who said that other than you? To put certain previous arguments into layman´s terms for you -- some people suggested that the problem of Kurdish terrorism is rooted in your governement´s policies against them, and to solve that problem, you have to change some racist policies in your country. That is not to say that Kurdish terrorism is ok, it is not, just like your government killing even more Kurds in retaliation is not right either.

I´m not sure if this is straightforward enough.. cause I would be very happy if this got straightened out eventually... *sigh

likewise the black problem is rooted in The American government`s policies against them, and to solve the problem America has to change some racist policies in the country. Then why do you blame the poor black muslims who have always been oppressed? will we ever see America giving the blacks their rights?

I don´t see how the article you posted has anything to do with black people being oppressed or racism.  You are making it about race.  The fact of the matter is, this man was a criminal.  He shot at federal officers and they returned fire.  How is this a symbol of oppression? 

he is the leader of a black-muslim seperatist group, a freedom fighter! if that makes him a criminal then all the Kurdish terrorists are simply criminals too. Why do you make pkk a symbol of oppression?

 Does anyone have the right to kill anyone else?? No they do not!  

I think it is time you started to think about what you are posting and why. What are you tryinhg to achieve and who are you trying to persuade?  I don´t agree with anyone opening fire on anyone else but it happens and it is not always to do with race or religion. 

yes but some hypocrites will try to justify some attacks while condemning the others as terrorist activities. This hypocrisy is well spread in the christian world;

al qaida are bad terrorists

pkk are good terrorists

I am still not sure why this article about a man who is engaging in criminal activity has anything to do with al qaida or pkk.  I don´t care if he is black, white, christian or muslim or anything else for that matter, he opened fired on federal officers.....his survival rate was pretty low.

I don´t think there´s a government more apologetic to black people than the American one. American law grants equality to its citizens regardless of their religion or race. Sure, there are racist incidents but they happen on both sides of the fence and are exceptions rather than rule. Minorites are given privileges and it´s entirely up to a person whether or not they make use of them. Don´t tell me that a man opening fire to the federal agents is justified by his religion or race. He is not, just as no white christian person would be in this case.

You´re too quick to draw conclusions, I have not yet come across a single post praising PKK and justifying their actions on TC, au contraire, those who ever commented on pkk said that they are against ANY kind of terrorism.

You should see the difference between understanding what breeds terrorism and considering it a good idea. The fact that Kurds were oppressed in Turkey does not justify terrorist actions against Turkish population. The idea in most of the posts on thins subject was that Kurds should be treated as equal and given the right to use their language and excercise those rites and ceremonies that do not stand in opposition to the Turkish law.

In the US all minorities are given equal rights, but should obey the American law. If, instead of obeying, you commit a crime, you get punished. Simple?

It´s ridiculous to make a martyr of a criminal. This way you can justify ANY crime committed by ANY person. Women should not be punished if they shoot at police because they gained their rights in 20th century, how does this sound?

which means Turkish law does not grant equality to Kurds, and they can`t use their language in Turkey! The question is when will America stop enslaving the Blacks?

btw. you write at kurdishmedia.com?

How eactly are black people enslaved in America? To my best knowledge it´s harder to fire a black person, they are granted a percentage of places in universities and have a variety of grands. They´re the ones free to be proud of being black while being proud of being white is considered racist.

The bottom line is the US did a LOT to promote black culture, encourage their education and well-being.

How are Kurds oppresed? How about

1. by Turks generally pretending there is no Kurdish problem while what happens in the east resembles wild wild west

2. Making it hard for them to use their names spelt the way to show their ethnical background

3. Not investing in the east to ensure prospects to the well being of the society there

4. Sending worst teachers to that area

5. Forbidding them to celibrate their holidays

And, no, I am not really involved into Kurdish things, not really interested in that subject. All I do is express unbiased (I´m neither Turkish nor Kurdish) opinion about how I see things

who pretends there isn`t a Kurdish problem? yes there is a big Kurdish problem and it`s about the fascist Kurdish feudal system in the south east, it`s about honor killings, blood feuds, smuggling weapons, oil and drugs.

and guess what? it`s the Kurds who ignores these, not Turks.

yeah, the sole idea of introducing the Turkish alphabet was to make the Kurdish names spelt wrong. I`m still wondering why this is totally fine in America and many other countries though.

I`ll give you $1 million, go and invest in the south east if you don`t mind getting killed by the Kurdish terrorists

you got that idea from AE? she was just doing a copy-paste of what chiko told her. do you know how many teachers, doctors, and police officers got killed by the Kurds in the south east? would you go there if you were a teacher? and who are the "good teachers" anyway? who determines good teachers from bad teachers? is there  a statistical work proving that only "bad teachers" are sent to the south east. let me tell you that chiko was stoned when he threw that out.

which holiday is it? and how is it forbidden? any proof?

I`m not gonna argue with you about the Kurdish terrorism dd, your hypocrisy is well exposed. you first came up with the lie that Kurds can`t speak their language in Turkey, and they are not equal now this. If that`s true, I`m still waiting an answer to my question. if Kurds can`t speak their language in Turkey, isn`t it also true that Americans still enslave the blacks?

, where have I said Kurds can´t speak their language in Turkey? Please provide me a link What I said was that they can´t register names spelt according to their tradition And I never said Turks invented alphabet to make Kurds angry

So, it´s not true they can´t register their names spelt in the proper way?

That´s news...

I have a few Turkish friends who happen to be teachers (no, they´re not Kurdish, as a matter of fact I don´t know a single Kurd ) there is an exam taken at the end of the uni and they´re assigned to schools basing on the results of the eam. You get a low average - hello east

Hasn´t it occured to you that the poorer the people the less they respect? So not giving them equal opportunities means pushing them to terrorism.

Regarding the holiday, we had a debate about a spring festival I think that Kurds were banned to celebrate. It was about 2 years ago, I think. Check our archives to see.

Ok, so you said that if Kurds are banned from speaking their language, the black are enslaved. We know that Kurds have been able to freely use Kurdish at home for whole 19 years now. So, it means the balck people in the US are not enslaved

Now, if they´re not enslaved then the terrorist got rightfully killed by the police

Thank you for proving my point. Again! Geez, winning with you is like taking crayons from a three-year-old

 Not to mention the fact that in the US there are organizations like the United Negro College Fund, the Congressional Black Caucus, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People....and on and on and on.  While any such organization dedicated only to caucasians would be roundly lambasted. 

Oh and lets not forget....we have a black President.

But none of this matters to Tami because he doesn´t really care.  The situation with this black muslim being shot for firing at officers trying to arrest him on felony charges has absolutely nothing to do with anything Tami is talking about.  He only used it as another piece of his propaganda pie.   Valid questions were raised about the connection between this person, this article and Tami´s most recent diatribe on the evil west but when pushed all he does is try to stir up crap about PKK supporters....... foolishly accusing people who have never once said anything in support of the PKK.   

Are the voices in your head telling you that every Westerner supports the PKK Tams????  If they are, you might want to start ingnoring them!!! 

FYI,  It is originally Turkic festival and because of Kurdish provocations Turkey Turks cannot celebrate it.  All other Central Asian Turkic people are still celebrating it...

" The idea in most of the posts on thins subject was that Kurds should be treated as equal and given the right to use their language and excercise those rites and ceremonies that do not stand in opposition to the Turkish law."

yeah that`s how the bloody Turks oppress the angelic Kurds, by not allowing them to register their names in the proper way. don`t worry, when America allows its minorities to register their names as in their native languages, we may think about it as well.

you`re talking about kpss and a low score at kpss does not necessarily mean appointment to the east. besides kpss is a general knowledge exam and it doesn`t measure how good a teacher at his/her field of study.

nevruz? I`ve never seen their banned to celebrate it. they do it every year burning cars on streets, vandalizing the government properties and chanting slogans for the Kurdish terrorists with a great extent of freedom.

yeah and now as Kurds can speak Kurdish, the Kurdish terrorists are killed rightfully by the Turkish army.and if there is any kind of fascism it`s of the Kurdish terrorists

Thanks for proving my point.

The quote you provided was not from my answer to your question about Kurdish oppression but from a summary of numerous posts we´ve had here for a couple of years describing what equality means. So, sorry, you fail

Expecting riots is not something that should prevent anyone from banning celebration, do you think all public gatherings in the US are peaceful? I don´t think so...

You must really lack arguments since you make up stories, don´t give me credit for supporting pkk as I´ve said it numerous times that I don´t. Hence your moaning about "killing a black muslim in the US being bad but killing poor Turks being good" is unjustified. I don´t think it´s ok to kill Turks even if you come from an oppressed group. But, yes, it is ok for the police to shoot an armed criminal who starts fire. And that is, regardless of the criminal´s race, religion or gender.

You´re trying to draw a parallel between the police killing a criminal for opening fire at them and Kurdish terrorists. It won´t work. Merely because, although you hate to accept it, most people here do not support Kurdish terrorists.

Again, I´ll do my best to get as simple as I can:

DD´s points:

1. Black people used to be discriminated

and

Kurds used to be discriminated

2. The US government has done a huge job to make amends and provide equal opportunities

and

Turkish government is going in the right direction but is not even half way as close to provide special treatment for Kurds as the US is in case of black people

3. Kurdish terrorists are bad

and

Criminals shooting at the police are bad

Tami´s points:

1. Black Muslims are oppressed in the US

but

Kurds are not oppressed in Turkey

2. The US should stop enslaving black people

but

Turkey is not to be blamed for Kurdish response to years of oppression (as there wasn´t any), Kurds are just mean people who do not love Turkey strong enough to leave their barbaric ways and want to become pure blood Turks. Instead, they kill Turkish people for fun and no other reason.

3. Kurdish terrorists are bad

but

A person who opens fire at federal agents is good

See what your problem is now?

We are good, you are bad... You are good we are bad...

I wish everyone were as good as they believe they are.

I wish the problems of the black people could really be solved...

I wish there would be no black or white people at all. I wish there were just people.

The same goes for the Kurds.

look who is talking about making up stories. ok if that`s the case tell us how Turkey is way behind America in terms of minority rights. what kind of rights do the Blacks have in America that the Kurds are lacking in Turkey. Moreover, what kind of "superior" rights do the Turks have that the Kurds don`t?

I`m tired of the baseless comments coming from those who don`t know even what they are talking about, such as "Turks should give Kurds their rights" (yeah they have no rights, we use them as slaves in coal mines)

Actually a lot of Muslims wear turbans Libralady....didn´t you notice all the turbans in the Ottoman graves in Turkey?  However, in this case it looks more like a costume from kitch casting to me than an authentic Islamic turban.  I have met more than a few of these people dressed up like super Muslims, and have found more often than not, their actual knowledge of Islam to be very lacking.  It annoys me that they run around calling themself Muslim and dressing like clowns in outfits that evolved for a particular purpose of which they have no knowledge of.

I would not say they are not Muslim, only Allah knows the secrets in their hearts, but they don´t have much of an knowledge regarding the a terbiye of Islam.

This point is not even slightly true, totally wrong, especially the bolded part. The ones who think kurdish fascism and terrorism will come to an end by this government´s initiative are just dreaming. Its not the initiative of Turkey but US, orders are from there. Its just a step of BOP to secure US´s Kurdish watchdogs.  As i said before they cleaned the area from Turks and from the control of Turkish authorities by terrorism, now the process is legalizing terrorism, PKK terrorists were told either to join Barzani or to cave in Turkish authorities(of course they were granted to be free) and remaining ones will continue to smuggle drugs and to terrorize Turkey under the control of big boys.

Btw what is that special treatment?  Do we need to provide feeding bottle as well? In Spain Basks are still not happy ...

Actually, in the Ottoman Empire, only the important and rich people wore what you call "turban", and those decorated tombs again belonged to the rich and important people as the poor couldn`t even have afforded it. I think those turban figures on tomb stones are also a sign of statute. as for the turban worn today, I`ve never seen a muslim wearing it in Turkey or America. The sikh hear wear something like a turban but it`s much different. it looks more like a black panthose wrapped on the head

I am sure you are most probably correct regarding the turban as a status symbol in the Ottoman empire, however......there are quite a few Islamic groups who wore, and still wear, turbans today.....

Have you not seen the many photographs of men in Afghanistan? Have you seen photos from the Bedu of Arabia? Have you ever seen the Tuareg of North Africa?

The Sikh turban has very stringent guides....and is mandatory for them to wear. The black panthose you mentioned is for the style for a youth, not a man.

 Instead of women, men wear Hijab in this tribe of North Africa

 men are really weird

instead of women,men wear kilts in this tribe of Europe

pretty often without underwear

 Bydand will probably confirm that as true  

It is a scary thought though!!