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Leader of Black-Muslim Seperatist Group Killed in the US
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 06:10 pm |
Ok...let me see if I understand your "reasoning"....blacks have been opressed, so they have the right to shoot at federal officers who are just doing their job?
no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 06:53 pm |
no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?
I purposely stay out of Kurdish/Turkish arguements because I feel I don´t know enough about the history. But I don´t think anyone has said in this forum that Turkish soldiers / civilians deserve to be killed or that Kurds have the right to kill anyone.
ANYWAY, back to the topic of people who break American laws and shoot at police....they will probably not win that battle!
Edited (10/30/2009) by Elisabeth
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 07:24 pm |
no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?
Who said that other than you? To put certain previous arguments into layman´s terms for you -- some people suggested that the problem of Kurdish terrorism is rooted in your governement´s policies against them, and to solve that problem, you have to change some racist policies in your country. That is not to say that Kurdish terrorism is ok, it is not, just like your government killing even more Kurds in retaliation is not right either.
I´m not sure if this is straightforward enough.. cause I would be very happy if this got straightened out eventually... *sigh
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:28 pm |
Who said that other than you? To put certain previous arguments into layman´s terms for you -- some people suggested that the problem of Kurdish terrorism is rooted in your governement´s policies against them, and to solve that problem, you have to change some racist policies in your country. That is not to say that Kurdish terrorism is ok, it is not, just like your government killing even more Kurds in retaliation is not right either.
I´m not sure if this is straightforward enough.. cause I would be very happy if this got straightened out eventually... *sigh
likewise the black problem is rooted in The American government`s policies against them, and to solve the problem America has to change some racist policies in the country. Then why do you blame the poor black muslims who have always been oppressed? will we ever see America giving the blacks their rights?
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:33 pm |
likewise the black problem is rooted in The American government`s policies against them, and to solve the problem America has to change some racist policies in the country. Then why do you blame the poor black muslims who have always been oppressed? will we ever see America giving the blacks their rights?
I don´t see how the article you posted has anything to do with black people being oppressed or racism. You are making it about race. The fact of the matter is, this man was a criminal. He shot at federal officers and they returned fire. How is this a symbol of oppression?
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:39 pm |
I don´t see how the article you posted has anything to do with black people being oppressed or racism. You are making it about race. The fact of the matter is, this man was a criminal. He shot at federal officers and they returned fire. How is this a symbol of oppression?
he is the leader of a black-muslim seperatist group, a freedom fighter! if that makes him a criminal then all the Kurdish terrorists are simply criminals too. Why do you make pkk a symbol of oppression?
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:40 pm |
no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?
Does anyone have the right to kill anyone else?? No they do not!
I think it is time you started to think about what you are posting and why. What are you tryinhg to achieve and who are you trying to persuade? I don´t agree with anyone opening fire on anyone else but it happens and it is not always to do with race or religion.
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:44 pm |
Does anyone have the right to kill anyone else?? No they do not!
I think it is time you started to think about what you are posting and why. What are you tryinhg to achieve and who are you trying to persuade? I don´t agree with anyone opening fire on anyone else but it happens and it is not always to do with race or religion.
yes but some hypocrites will try to justify some attacks while condemning the others as terrorist activities. This hypocrisy is well spread in the christian world;
al qaida are bad terrorists
pkk are good terrorists
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:58 pm |
yes but some hypocrites will try to justify some attacks while condemning the others as terrorist activities. This hypocrisy is well spread in the christian world;
al qaida are bad terrorists
pkk are good terrorists
I am still not sure why this article about a man who is engaging in criminal activity has anything to do with al qaida or pkk. I don´t care if he is black, white, christian or muslim or anything else for that matter, he opened fired on federal officers.....his survival rate was pretty low.
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 09:39 pm |
I don´t think there´s a government more apologetic to black people than the American one. American law grants equality to its citizens regardless of their religion or race. Sure, there are racist incidents but they happen on both sides of the fence and are exceptions rather than rule. Minorites are given privileges and it´s entirely up to a person whether or not they make use of them. Don´t tell me that a man opening fire to the federal agents is justified by his religion or race. He is not, just as no white christian person would be in this case.
You´re too quick to draw conclusions, I have not yet come across a single post praising PKK and justifying their actions on TC, au contraire, those who ever commented on pkk said that they are against ANY kind of terrorism.
You should see the difference between understanding what breeds terrorism and considering it a good idea. The fact that Kurds were oppressed in Turkey does not justify terrorist actions against Turkish population. The idea in most of the posts on thins subject was that Kurds should be treated as equal and given the right to use their language and excercise those rites and ceremonies that do not stand in opposition to the Turkish law.
In the US all minorities are given equal rights, but should obey the American law. If, instead of obeying, you commit a crime, you get punished. Simple?
It´s ridiculous to make a martyr of a criminal. This way you can justify ANY crime committed by ANY person. Women should not be punished if they shoot at police because they gained their rights in 20th century, how does this sound?
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30 Oct 2009 Fri 09:47 pm |
I don´t think there´s a government more apologetic to black people than the American one. American law grants equality to its citizens regardless of their religion or race. Sure, there are racist incidents but they happen on both sides of the fence and are exceptions rather than rule. Minorites are given privileges and it´s entirely up to a person whether or not they make use of them. Don´t tell me that a man opening fire to the federal agents is justified by his religion or race. He is not, just as no white christian person would be in this case.
You´re too quick to draw conclusions, I have not yet come across a single post praising PKK and justifying their actions on TC, au contraire, those who ever commented on pkk said that they are against ANY kind of terrorism.
You should see the difference between understanding what breeds terrorism and considering it a good idea. The fact that Kurds were oppressed in Turkey does not justify terrorist actions against Turkish population. The idea in most of the posts on thins subject was that Kurds should be treated as equal and given the right to use their language and excercise those rites and ceremonies that do not stand in opposition to the Turkish law.
In the US all minorities are given equal rights, but should obey the American law. If, instead of obeying, you commit a crime, you get punished. Simple?
It´s ridiculous to make a martyr of a criminal. This way you can justify ANY crime committed by ANY person. Women should not be punished if they shoot at police because they gained their rights in 20th century, how does this sound?
which means Turkish law does not grant equality to Kurds, and they can`t use their language in Turkey! The question is when will America stop enslaving the Blacks?
btw. you write at kurdishmedia.com?
Edited (10/30/2009) by hayvanherif
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