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All Men Watch Porn, Scientists Find
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30.       ptaszek
440 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:38 am

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 She knows what im talking about. And no. No personal antalyan experience.

 

 good mother)))

 

31.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 08:50 am

I have no problem with the Gypsies. I might as well use the example of a Black boy growing up in notorious Harlem as has been done by many artists, singers etc.

 

What is implied here is the need for improving a skill in the absence of a other choices.

 

As long as you can not present what can be called a more ethical alternative to millions of young people who are forced economically to enter the porn industry you must not complain of the industry itself. Since it actually serves as a last resort to make up for society´s failing ends.

 

There are probably four kinds of females in the porn industry.

 

* Those economically forced to enter

* Those considering it as a golden key to a luxourious life.

* Those who are addicted to sex

* Those who are physically forced to enter.

 

 

The first one is more specifically a social problem whose cure is elsewhere. The second and the third are the acts of free choice. The fourth one is where the problem lies. Though illegal conduct is not an exclusive problem of the porn industry, since there seems to be a greater potential for crime and other attached moral considerations, it would be normal for this sector to exist under the scrutinity of the government.

 

Ironically, the porn industry also flourish in small welfare countries like Sweden and Germany where there are fewer economic complaints. In these countries, the general outlook is often different from that in big but not so homogeniously developed nations (e.g. US).

 

We should now question an age old phenomenon. Females relying on their physical beauty to get things done. While this is not the major incentive there are of course many women who use their bodies although they have no major economical difficulties. These women are like businessmen who trade their bodies in exchange of luxury. If you ask me, there is little difference between them and rich-husband-hunters.



Edited (12/8/2009) by vineyards

32.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 04:46 pm

Ohw ohw ohwwww. I can feel my skin itching

 

I can give a big speech about sex-workers, degrading women, even degrading men. About where the money of porn goes to. About distorted sex views... But what pro-porn people may also be bothered with, is that you actually do NOT learn anything about how to give pleasure to a real woman through this films

 

My partner decided to introduce some porn into our relationship. I´m open minded, and have a strong relationship, so I thought, why not... Well, once and never gain. This his how it went.

 

him: what do you think?

me: uh...well, yeah, I guess it´s okay

the movie went on...

him: oh, she seems to enjoy that

me: ... I guess her body works different then mine... I think that would only hurt me.

the movie went on...

him: {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile} wow, she LOVES that! You want to try it out?

me: {#emotions_dlg.confused} uh...no thank you dear, now get out of my way so I can go puke {#emotions_dlg.puking}

33.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 05:27 pm

In my opinion, there is a place for erotic scenes in movies or books and where it fits in the story.  However, I personally don´t want to watch people having sex just for the sake of watching two people having sex.  Call me closed minded, call me old fashioned, but I strongly believe that pornography warps peoples minds, distorts expectations and makes degrading acts seem more normal the more you watch it.  As for sex being a taboo, just because you don´t watch porn doesn´t mean you think sex is a taboo (at least I don´t). 

34.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 02:44 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

him: what do you think?

me: uh...well, yeah, I guess it´s okay

the movie went on...

him: oh, she seems to enjoy that

me: ... I guess her body works different then mine... I think that would only hurt me.

the movie went on...

him: {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile} wow, she LOVES that! You want to try it out?

me: {#emotions_dlg.confused} uh...no thank you dear, now get out of my way so I can go puke {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

yep, that´s pretty much the reality, and the reality is that the more degrading and hateful the better. it´s not the respect and pleasure that excites porn watchers, it´s the degradation and humiliation of women that excites them (rape, gang rape, ejaculating on the woman, peeing on the woman.. etc). it´s a slight generalization, but that´s how it works for most perverts (both porn watchers and those who use prostitutes) out there. that is also why men in porn have a VERY different role then women do, and they model very different type of behavior (which is also why someone saying that "oh, but men are also in porn" is just a ridiculous comparison). anyway, as someone put it: "pornography tells lies about women, but pornography tells the truth about men".



Edited (12/8/2009) by catwoman
Edited (12/8/2009) by catwoman

35.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 04:01 am

Kitty, you missed out a great deal of things:

 

1. You forget that porns are not made to show us the real life. They´re not documentaries but purely fictional films whose only purpose is to appeal to imagination and sexual drive. Why should they be realistic? People have the ´realistic´ at home or in the nearest pub. The porn industry is there to supply material for people who need visual stimulus for their fantasies. And as many people, as many fantasies. Porns cover all subjects - from "romantic" knights and princesses to gang rape. Surprising as it may be for you, some women actually dream of being raped. Of course NOT for real, it´s just a fantasy. I think it´s got something to do with dominance and submission - a psychologist or sexuologist could explain such fantasies better. Anyway, my point is, the reason why porns are for adults only is that normal adult people DO realise it´s fiction. Anybody who has ever had sex realises it´s fiction Those who think otherwise should be institutionalised. The only difference between porns and, say, Harry Potter is that while the latter depicts magic, the former is focused on sex. Both are equally unreal. Are you going to argue that all ´unreal´ films that ´distort´ the reality should be banned?

 

2. You´re very focused on a particular type of porn - the one where woman is playing a submissive role. Do you really think this is the prevailing "genre"? There are hundreds of different types of porn just as there are hundreds of fantasies people want to see filmed. It´s nonsense that men only want to see women hurt. Some want to see women hurt men It is, as you put it, a ridiculous approach to comment exclusively on women roles in the industry. What about SM films where men are humiliated by women? What about MILF films where older women take advantage of younger men? What about gay movies where no women appear whatsoever? You are talking about a small part of the story but even if we take that your not so small generalisation was true, what´s wrong with it? What if it is the kind of entertainment that some people need? Are you implying that men who watch gang rape organise into packs and go out wanting to try it in the real life? That would mean a lot of fools died trying to fly on their broomstick after watching Harry Potter {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} Or, maybe rape and violence against women had not occured before porn came about?

 

3. This unfortunate quote "pornography tells lies about women, but pornography tells the truth about men" is simply hilarious, and I would feel insulted if I were a man. The author must have come up with that "brilliant" idea by not researching the subjet or by having a terrible sex life lol The thing is porn lies about both man and women. It tells the truth about neither.

 

Argg I wanted to say something more but the little terrorist is up{#emotions_dlg.head_bang}

 

PS I really liked Vineyards to the point approach. Spot on.

 

 

36.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 04:15 am

Dreamy, you are simply naive about the truth behind this subject, and what mainstream porn depicts.

1. I don´t care that it is fantasy, there´s a meaning behind it and it matters what people desire. It´s all the more relevant because this fantasy is shaping the minds and attitudes of half of the population, and if these fantasies are about things like rape, then it is something to be concerned about.

2. I am focused on the mainstream type of porn. There is a lot of research done as far as in what direction porn is going. It is well documented that porn is targetting girls that appear younger, there is even animated porn with children (because ´technically´ they are not using children, so they´re allowed), there is significantly more violence and brutality.. etc. So what you´re saying is just wishful thinking and simply naiveness. There is research that shows that men who watch porn find rape much more acceptable, don´t think that monogamous relationships are natural and that they tend to desire increasingly more aggressive/brutal depictions.

3. As you said, porn is reflecting the fantasies of men, not women. So it IS showing the truth about men, while lying about women - what they want/desire, what they find acceptable in real life, in relationships.. etc.

 

I think that Vineyards is basically saying "yeah, if that feeds you and you have no other choice, go ahead and do it". That´s nothing new, that´s just the reality that we should take a stance against and identify the problems with it and how it hurts people. It´s much the same as Alameda saying that women should accept that they are physically weaker and should accept the fact that they will be abused adn that this is a normal state of things, as opposed to realizing that a lot of the violence is a result of social standards, and it´s unacceptable - we gotta change it.



Edited (12/8/2009) by catwoman

37.       kanka
5 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 07:14 am

Daydreamer....MSN? {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

38.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 09:01 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 It´s much the same as Alameda saying that women should accept that they are physically weaker and should accept the fact that they will be abused adn that this is a normal state of things, as opposed to realizing that a lot of the violence is a result of social standards, and it´s unacceptable - we gotta change it.

 

Excuse me??? I never said women should accept being abused!!! I said learn your strengths and learn how to work with them, although the words I used were diferent.  That is quite different.

 

As for the porn thing.... just about everything that can be said about it has been said here.  I feel sorry for those who have to resort to such inelegant methods to obtain pleasure, and even sadder for those forced to provide the supply. 

39.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 06:24 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Dreamy, you are simply naive about the truth behind this subject, and what mainstream porn depicts.

 

Naive? Moi? lol Nope, I´m just being realistic...

 

1. I don´t care that it is fantasy, there´s a meaning behind it and it matters what people desire. It´s all the more relevant because this fantasy is shaping the minds and attitudes of half of the population, and if these fantasies are about things like rape, then it is something to be concerned about.

 

Are you suggesting that porn creates fantasies? I think it´s the other way around - it gets inspiration from human fantasies and turns them into films. Rape fantasies are not uncommon - and this goes for both sexes. Like I said, there is research about sexual fantasies and as far as I remember, fantasising about being raped/raping doesn´t mean you´d like to live it in the real world. What you should be concerned about is the people who go out on the streets and rape instead of playing a film and wanking at home.

 

2. I am focused on the mainstream type of porn. There is a lot of research done as far as in what direction porn is going. It is well documented that porn is targetting girls that appear younger, there is even animated porn with children (because ´technically´ they are not using children, so they´re allowed), there is significantly more violence and brutality.. etc. So what you´re saying is just wishful thinking and simply naiveness. There is research that shows that men who watch porn find rape much more acceptable, don´t think that monogamous relationships are natural and that they tend to desire increasingly more aggressive/brutal depictions.

 

 Much as I hate even to think about how sick one must be to watch a porn with children or teens, I can´t have any objections as long as no actual children appeared there. There is a number of researches on violence and films (I mean non-porn). Are you suggesting we should close all cinemas or, perhaps, play Pocahontas and Titanic only? The fact that some people are stupid enough to lose the sense of balance between reality and fiction doesn´t mean it´s porn´s fault. Earlier I talked about why sexual education is so important, and I stick to it. Should we now ban alcohol, tobbaco, knives and coffee? Sorry, luv, I believe that a person has a brain and should use it. If you overstep the limits, you get punished. Why deprive people who are sane of something they enjoy only because some other people are stupid?

 

 

3. As you said, porn is reflecting the fantasies of men, not women. So it IS showing the truth about men, while lying about women - what they want/desire, what they find acceptable in real life, in relationships.. etc.

 

I didn´t say that lol I actually said many women dream of rape Plus, you can´t generalise here - are you sure all women want to fantasise of "traditional sex"? No groups, violence, toys? Then, I´m sorry, you´re wrong Also, this foolish statement implies that all men want to have porn-star-like sex life. And that´s not true either. Most men are looking for a relationship.

 

The thing is, you´re fast to crtiticise porn by imposing your idea of men and women. It somehow doesn´t go with thinking outside the box but rather with stereotyping lol You sound as if all women were to think and want the same things, which happen to be totally different from what men want. And your mission is to take what you believe to be men´s toy away just to punish them. Well, for your information, some women enjoy porn, some are not afraid to talk about sex or play in porns because they want to. They break the traditional role society has put on them. The role of a humbe wife and mother.

 

The world is full of all kinds, face it - some women are happy in monogamy, some love having sex with strangers, other stay virgins till they get married. And some watch porn. You can´t impose your way of thinking onto all of them. Sure, you´re free to dislike what they like, but you have to accept people have the right to differ.

 

As long as porn operates within law, I have nothing against it. Ok, I do have something against it - it´s boring, but that´s not a good idea to ban it solely on this grounds lol

 

 

(Oh, and I think you missed Vineyard´s point but I may be wrong )

 

See, Kitty, we´ll never see eye to eye on this subject as long as we have different ideas of how people should live their lives - I believe anything is subject to choice as long as it´s legal and you think people are stupid and should be "protected" from different things they might  see

 

 

40.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 07:43 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 Naive? Moi? lol Nope, I´m just being realistic...

 

 So you think.. unfortunately!!

 

P.S. Alameda, I apologize if I had misunderstood one of your previous posts.



Edited (12/8/2009) by catwoman

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