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Norway does it again
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09 Jan 2010 Sat 08:00 pm |
http://www.learnist.org/norwegian-police-let-old-turkish-woman-die/
You may have heard of a Turkish family in Norway calling the emergency service asking for an ambulance to save their dieing mother. Instead of help, they are faced by the prejudices about what might actually have happened. The telephone conversations on record indicate that the emergency service becomes suspicious of the family and call the police instead of sending an ambulance. The lady on the phone reports the incident to the police saying: "...there is a strange family on the line, probably Pakistani or something like that. We are suspicious of them. We want you to check the place before we get there. Probably nothing will come out of it."
The family reacts to the police car saying we asked for an ambulance and there is a state of panic, yelling and chaos.
The old lady dies in the end. Congratulations emergency service.
Edited (1/9/2010) by vineyards
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09 Jan 2010 Sat 10:28 pm |
"Norway does it again"? I agree, what happened was horrible, but to say "Norway does it again" is like doing the exact same thing that you have complained about.
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09 Jan 2010 Sat 10:45 pm |
Certainly not. We are talking about the conduct of public institutions. In this particular incident, two different public instutions are involved. The way they handled the situation is on file. The prejudicial statements are openly communicated. In the end, an old lady who would propably survive were the situation not handled like that, lost her life. This is no joke. I am deeply suspicious of the anti Islamic sentiment in Europe.
Edited (1/9/2010) by vineyards
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09 Jan 2010 Sat 11:16 pm |
Well, yes, there is anti-islamic sentiment in Europe, some of it is understandable where it´s coming from (meaning, hearing news about mosques preaching about hatred towards non-muslims and such), some/most of it is pure propaganda... However, what happened in this case that you mentioned, is definitely racism. You´re right that this is an unacceptable, racist response of the public service. I still find it somewhat strange and maybe a tad bit racist to say that "norway does it". You are generalizing over millions of people that you don´t know.
Edited (1/9/2010) by catwoman
Edited (1/9/2010) by catwoman
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09 Jan 2010 Sat 11:51 pm |
That the lady has died is very sad, and if mistakes have been made, this is very sad and a disgrace...
HOWEVER, I have serious doubts about this article. The way it has been written, it is clearly not a news article, but somebody venting some frustration. Probably a case of hear-say, in very bad English. So, I googled for a better article about this, and it became clear that the link provided here is not what really happened. There were no 7 partol cars, there were no 30 police men. A girl called the police about her sick mother, in broken Norwegian, so the police came. They arrived and saw that the situation was not for the police to fix, so the wanted to contact the ambulance. The girl got very angry, because the police didn´t help her mom (which they couldn´t) and started to make a fight. The police made the mistake her that they didn´t try hard enough to calm her, but beat her. Normally this would be normal police procedure. If you are attacked, you stop the attacker. However, in this case they should have tried harder to understand the girl´s frustration.
The ambulance arrived short after, but at this time it was too late for the mother.
So, still sad, but NOT the situation as described by that article. These kind of articles only make people hate eachother. This was not a situation of muslim-hate, or foreigner hate. It was a case of serious missunderstandings.
Don´t fall for these kind of hate-seeding articles, and check every thing you read 10 times.
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10 Jan 2010 Sun 12:01 am |
Hah, I did not even check that link or the story..
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10 Jan 2010 Sun 12:10 am |
Well, there are plenty of other links as well. It is just a matter of checking them.
Today, the incident was on the news. Turkey gave a note to Norway asking them to investigate the matter thoroughly.
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10 Jan 2010 Sun 12:16 am |
I know, and I don´t say there was no incident. I´m just saying that the way the article was written in the given link is hate-seeding. It´s making the incident something that it wasn´t. There was a mistake, of one or two policemen... it wasn´t a big organised attack by the Norwegian police to beat up Muslims.
The incident needs to be investigated, but these kind of articles make some people have crazy reactions. Crazy reactions to things that never really happened.
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10 Jan 2010 Sun 12:23 am |
Well, yes, there is anti-islamic sentiment in Europe, some of it is understandable where it´s coming from (meaning, hearing news about mosques preaching about hatred towards non-muslims and such), some/most of it is pure propaganda... However, what happened in this case that you mentioned, is definitely racism. You´re right that this is an unacceptable, racist response of the public service............
It is only understandable when we realize we only hear about what is reported to us. Did you hear about this?
Top Muslim Clerics issue Fatwa denouncing Terror attacks....
Edited (1/10/2010) by alameda
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10 Jan 2010 Sun 12:24 am |
just a little opinion of mine. i happent to know many norwegians. i have friends.
and i can say that norwegians are not racist not they are inhospitable unlike some europeans.
its a shame that vineyards didnt check his sources a bit better and tried to start a fire like always. (possibly after a couple of nice expensive wines).
and well done for you barba!
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