http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7009643.ece

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/so-thats-why-we-love-kebabs-2051032.html

I doubt I´m one of the descendants what with my red hair and blue/green eyes, I couldn´t be more Irish haha.  It is nice to have another connection to Turkey though

The Galatians were in their origin a part of the great Celtic migration which invaded Macedon, led by Brennus. The original Celts who settled in Galatia came through Thrace under the leadership of Leotarios and Leonnorios circa 270 BC. Three tribes comprised these Celts, the Tectosages, the Trocmii, and the Tolistobogii.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

Also our capital city Ankara is said to be founded by Galatians and the name comes from their language meaning "anchor" (as found in English today).

Interesting si++...but I would imagine the fact that the "farmers" were around tilling fields and planting seeds has a lot to do with it.  Rather than planting seeds, the "hunters" were out hunting.

Quoted from the wikipedia link:

The fate of the Galatian people is a subject of some uncertainty, but they seem ultimately to have been absorbed into the Greek-speaking populations of west-central Anatolia.

So they should have been absorbed to Turkish speaking people in the end. My point is that it is no surprise to me to find some genetic similarity. In the past the Celtic people lived in Anatolia and disappeared. Where may they have gone to?

Well; the Turkishness of people who migrated from Turkey 5000 years ago is somewhat dubious

Here is some real connection between Irish & Turks though:

"In 1845, the onset of the Great Irish Famine resulted in over 1,000,000 deaths. Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid declared his intention to send 10,000 sterling to Irish farmers but Queen Victoria requested that the Sultan send only 1,000 sterling, because she had sent only 2,000 sterling. The Sultan sent the 1,000 sterling but also secretly sent 3 ships full of food. The English courts tried to block the ships, but the food arrived Drogheda harbor and was left there by Ottoman Sailors.

Due to this the Irish people, especially those in Drogheda, are friendly to the Turks. This event led to the appearance of Ottoman symbols on Drogheda United’s emblem."

(Them stingy English lol)

Amblem of Drogheda United:

 Thanks si++ was a very interesting read, nice to learn new things

 Thanks yersu, yeah I´m quite familiar wit this Irish/Turkish connection.  It always seems to gets brought up in conversation with my friends in Turkey when I´m there haha, have actually talked about it, in another thread on here, once before!  I don´t live too far from Drogheda, just down the road in Dublin, where they originally tried to dock the ships laden with food, but were blocked by the English.  Hehe ´stingy English´ well thats one way of putting it lol   Thanks to the Turks for their tenacity against them

Yersu,

love your fantasy. i mean love you turks making up stories.

did sultan also send money to portsmouth?

The crest of Drogheda United is an adaptation of the crest of Drogheda town´s coat of arms, which feature the heraldic symbols of a star and crescent over a shield depicting St. Lawrence´s Gate, three lions and a ship. The three lions passant represent England - as Drogheda lay within the Pale and was a garrison town - and the ship represents the town´s port.

While Drogheda United share the same symbols and colours as Trabzonspor, in Turkey - both recently declared to be brother teams.

 Yersu is wrong about the reason behind the coat of arms, but many people jump to this conclusion upon hearing this particular history.  The coat of arms actually pre-dates the famine by hundreds of years!! 

For more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/talk:drogheda

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_43973

yes, i know darling.

the symbol itself is not islamic at all, its borrowed from ancient cults that can be dated to 5-7 BC.

anyway, thanks for confirming.

no problem canım

Hmm interesting. I had quoted that text from some blog. Thanks for the correction.

What does this whole thing have to do with my tendency of making up stories? Go to Google, type "Irish Ottoman", click the first result and you will see the text I´ve quoted. I didn´t make it up, yet is seems to be incorrect so thanks for the correction.

I find your remarks about making up fantasies distasteful, do not go there.

yeh, yersu my dear boy. who cares what is tasteful or not. all in all im not here to make tasty. i make it sour and bitter.

yes there is a huge tendency among easterners to create urban myths, because there is a complex of west in them.

and why the heck would you take for true anything you find in the internet? dont you check it first? you need some critical eye. you dont paste the first text your eyes catch.

wow, i cant believe you can read and take seriously such rubbish bloggie sites.

and you say we (easterners) dont make up stories!  we do!!!

It always makes me laugh a little how my husband, who is Turkish, tries to insist that EVERYTHING is Turkish.  Really, I am Irish and just want to be Irish....I don´t care who migrated to where hundreds of years ago and might have breed with an outside tribe.  Honestly, with all the migrating that went on in the world, is anyone really a pure blooded anything?  Woops, sorry, the Turks are the only unspoilt people on earth!  hahaha

And, Lemon....do try to not be so sour!  You are making my face pucker!

Well I would really like to say I learnt my lesson and it will not happen again but tbh. it is very hard to verify everything you post. Anyway; being an "Easterner" and classifying yourself under the  pronoun "we", you have all my sympathies

Yes we indeed have many stories like that, especially the notorious "X´s are actually Turks" (X: variable) claims etc. I know some of those are fantasies, a lot of those stories have to do with a failed imperial past and being an insignificant  3rd world country nowadays, but I just feel like defending when someone points it out anyway. That´s why I said don´t go there, because even if you tell the truth I will have to discuss and defend somehow

 Actually, the fact that many Turks try to find commonality in different cultures is flattering in a way.  It reminds me of the movie, "My Big Fat Greek Wedding," when the father in the movie always tried to find the Greek root of every word (even if the word was Japanese).  It is human nature to seek what is common in obviously different things.  Human nature dictates that we try to connect to eachother.

ahahahaha you made my day! loved your posts. you see the point is i go anywhere i want to! thats the beauty of it.

and please, dont you ever get offended by my posts. i post out of boredom.

many kazakhs create urban legends and believe in them. and when you reveal the truth to them they get wounded. they suddenly feel exposed, naked and humiliated. and their reaction is a defence at all costs.

aha!  i know that. and you know they all come from central asians!

lemon can only lemonize! i make old urban limescales dissolve.

what can i say? mesopotamia is messypotamia. the craddle of humanity not only civilizations!

ahahahahaha right on! exactly! thats why i love that movie! i watched it hundreds of times.

anyway, greeks are turks and turks are greeks! shhhhhh, dont tell them!

 hey no worries, I´ve heard lots of people say it.  It´s like an urban myth

guys it´s all pointless, don´t you know that it´s the Irish who are everywhere!! Irish don´t invade, we infest, and we do it slowly so people don´t notice, lol!

 !  As an Irish American I can attest to this....there are probably more Irish here than in Ireland!   

we know!

and lisa is one of those results! bed irish bed!

 I am only half Bed Irish!  I am half bed Italian too but ALL BED AMERICAN!!  And of course, we all know that Italians and Irish people are really mostly Turkish....so, really I am Turkish!

 haha yea, and I bet ya you could go to the arse end of nowhere and you´d still find an Irish pub, wit a genuine paddy propping up the bar! lol... and here ya can´t take 2 steps without tripping over an American trying to trace their Irish heritage lol!  Sure doesn´t President Barack Obama even has Irish roots?!!..... We are everywhere guys! hahaha  (And as we´re all really Turkish.... well you do the math haha)

I loved Tommy Tiernan´s speech about how the Irish infest. But the Irish migration now is nothing compared to the Polish one these days. Soon, you´ll all be eating pierogi and sauerkraut and listening to our coarse language *evil laugh* Oh, and we´re not Turkish (are we? ), but part of Istanbul already is Polish - Polonezkoy!

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Soon, you´ll all be eating pierogi and sauerkraut and listening to our coarse language *evil laugh* Oh, and we´re not Turkish (are we? ), but part of Istanbul already is Polish - Polonezkoy!

You call it pierogi, but they are also called manti, kreplach, wonton.....it seems every culture has them. I think it´s one of those things like when you rub your eyes everyone sees the same patterns.

Then about the sauerkraut....there are many variations of that too....I love sauerkraut...but I was not aware it is a Polish dish....???

I thought that ´Sauerkraut mit Bratwurst´ was really German! 

Alameda, Trudy - you´re both right Polish cuisine is similar to the Czech, Russian and German ones. Or, I should rather say, All three cuisines are alike. It´s not particularly surprising as the borders in our region have changed so many times What influences what people eat is what they were able to get back in the day. Central Europe used to be mainly woods and farmland hence a lot of meat and fatty energy-boosting dishes. Loads of cream-based gravy, later on potatoes or potato dumplings, and of course half fermented cabbage or, in other words, sauerkraut. Polish bigos is a sauerkraut based dish with lots of meat and mushrooms.

Polish Bigos??!! You know with a name like that I had to look it up...

"Bigos is usually eaten with rye bread and potatoes. As with many stews, bigos can be kept in a cool place or refrigerated then reheated later—its taste actually intensifies when reheated. A common practice is to keep a pot of bigos going for a week or more, replenishing ingredients as necessary (cf. perpetual stew). This, the seasonal availability of cabbage and its richness in vitamin C made bigos a traditional part of the winter diet in Poland and elsewhere. In Poland, it was a traditional dish to be served on the Second Day of Christmas."

The lots of mushrooms with sauerkraut sounds nice.....yum....I make a dish out of kimchi (I prefer  baechu kimchi, which has no fermented fish, just cabbage). My dish consists of quinoa or barley, tahini and kimchi and with a light little of toasted sesame and nori over the top.

Bigo sounds interesting....if it were made with no pork I might eat it...do you have a halal or kosher variety?.....

 in the old times when we Poles were at constant wars with e.g Turks traditional bigos was made of the game ´s meat and sour cabbage,is it halal?I mean the game?

old Polish saying dates back to those times´The best bigos is with the cabbage in the field and hares in the forest"I have no idea what our ancestors meant...we Poles sometimes are ambiguous.

Game meat can be halal....the actual slaughter of the animal must be in the guidlines proscribibed and the animal, of course, has to be one of the animals allowed.  The allowed animals is less limited than kosher animals.  Even the allowed parts of animals in halal meat is larger than the parts allowed in kosher meats.  In kosher laws no dairy should be served at the same meal or within certain amount of hours as when animal flesh is consumed.  

Fish is excluded from those laws.  Cold blooded animal, maybe?

Maybe more than you wanted to know about kosher laws

It´s because fish don´t give milk You can´t cook a child in it´s mother´s meat. Ofcourse, it takes it a step further by taking all animals that give milk and not cooking them with any type of milk (technically, you should be able to cook a goat in cows milk). But anyway... let´s just keep it at, fish don´t give milk.

Poultry doesn´t give milk either....

I believe Poland had a large Jewish population prior to WWII. I think they adapted much of the foods, so there must be a Jewish version of Bigo.  They have kreplach, knish

its not even bigo.

ignorant was born ignorant will stay.

I don´t know anything about Polish foods, or do I pretend to, but am trusting Daydreamer or other Polish people to inform me....about what ever it is they do with fermented cabbage and (what sounds like) fermented meat?

Alameda - the word is bigos, the letter "s" at the end does not make it plural, it´s part of the root. It can be confusing to an English speaking native

I don´t really know much about the history of bigos, but I doubt it was inspired by Jewish cuisine. There´s a Polish dish called "Carp made the Jewish way" though.

Bigos is made of both fresh and fermented cabbage (sauerkraut), chopped meat and mushrooms (usually porcini), sometimes carrots and tomato paste. Everybody´s bigos tastes differently. My husband makes a delicious one, mine is not even close to the real taste Some people cook it in a pot, others fry it in the oven. Some add wine, dome don´t. It´s true it tastes best after a few days of constant cooling and reheating.

- I don´t automatically assume a word ending in ´s´ is plural!  I never thought ´kudos´ was several ´kudo´ or ´pathos´ is sadder than ´patho´ for example!  

I didn´t think or mean to infer bigos was inspired by Jewish cuisine, but rather there may well be a Jewish version of it. 

Variation in food preparation is nice, sometimes things become too standardized and loose their dynamics.

Thank you for the lesson in Polish food....

I know, it doesn´t make sense... but everything that´s meat is considered as being part of the group that gives milk. Chicken is meat, fish is not... The rules aren´t that logical Like, smoked salmon is okay, smoked European isn´t kosher  I don´t get it at all

Well, if you consider it, you will realize there is a lot of sense in it.  Most the time we don´t know until much later.

For example, if people kept to eating kosher meat, there would not have been a problem with mad cow disease. Those parts that pass it on are exactly those parts that are forbidden.  By stunning animal before slaughter, dura matter is spread around the system.

 This doesn´t sound very humble

well, shes trying to justify some people. or its simply her agenda to promote polishness on turkish site!

 IMASSUO...the Poles are taking over TC.  They will soon be serving Bigos in the lounge!

 we the Dobrowski ones will also pour vodka in you!!!Beware!!!We all can be very naughty together

Well, not that many people died of mad cow disease. Making cars forbidden would make much more sense then saying stunning an animal isn´t kosher.

We also add dried plums to bigos and well as DD said wine,red wine.The basis of this dish is fresh and sour cabbage along with pork meat,beef,bacon and a lot of sausage previously fried.But what makes it unique is the herbs.And I found out what this strange saying I quoted means-The best bigos is still to be prepared.As it is so good that the challange is to beat former eaten one.