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Şeytan bunun neresinde? (Where is devil in it?)
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 12:45 pm |
Şeytan bunun neresinde?
Where is the devil in it?
Telli sazdır bunun adı The name of it is stringed instrument
Ne âyet dinler ne kadı It listens to neither verse nor kadi (muslim judge)
Bunu çalan anlar kendi He/she understands who plays it
Şeytân bunun neresinde Where is the devil in it? (an idiom)
Abdest alsan aldın demez If you perform an ablution, it doesnt say “ you did”
Namaz kılsan kıldın demez If you perform a prayer, it doesn’t say “you did”
Müftü gibi haram yemez It doesn’t get things illegally like mufti (the one gives fetwas)
Şeytan bunun neresinde Where is the devil in it?
Dut ağacından teknesi Its belly is made of mulberry tree
Kirişten bağlı perdesi It´s key tied from catgut
Behey insanın teresi Hey you b….d of a human
Şeytan bunun neresinde Where is the devil in it?
Dertli gibi sarıksızdır It is turbanless like Dertli
Ayağı da çarıksızdır Its foot is also shoeless
Boynuzu yok kuyruksuzdur It hasn’t got a horn, it is tailless
Şeytan bunun neresinde.. Where is the devil in it?
Dertli (1772-1845)
My try. (corrections needed)I like this poem. It criticizes the approach of reverends of that age about music
Edited (3/31/2010) by gokuyum
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 01:55 pm |
Dertli gibi çarıksızdır sarıksızdır
It is shoeless turbanless like Dertli
Ayağı da çarıksızdır
Its foot is also shoeless
Boynuzu yok kuyruksuzdur
It hasn’t got a horn, it is tailless
Şeytan bunun neresinde..
Where is devil in it?
It is sarıksızdır not çarıksız, I think.
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 01:57 pm |
Şeytan bunun neresinde?
Where is the devil in it?
Telli sazdır bunun adı
The name of this is stringed instrument
Ne âyet dinler ne kadı
It doesn’t listens to neither verse nor kadi (muslim judge)
Bunu çalan anlar kendi
He/she understands who plays it
Şeytân bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it? (an idiom)
Abdest alsan aldın demez
If you perform an ablution, it doesnt say “ you did”
Namaz kılsan kıldın demez
If you perform a prayer, it doesn’t say “you did”
Müftü gibi haram yemez
It doesn’t eat ill-gotten like mufti (the one gives fetwas) (my dictionary says ´haram yemek´ = to get things (something) illegally - not ´to eat´ haram)
Şeytan bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it?
Dut ağacından teknesi
Its belly is made of mulberry
Kirişten bağlı perdesi
From catgut tied its key ´It´s key tied from catgut´ is better English, but maybe not poetic
Behey insanın teresi
Hey you b….d of a human
Şeytan bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it?
Dertli gibi çarıksızdır
It is shoeless like Dertli
Ayağı da çarıksızdır
Its foot is also shoeless
Boynuzu yok kuyruksuzdur
It hasn’t got a horn, it is tailless
Şeytan bunun neresinde..
Where is the devil in it?
Dertli (1772-1845)
My try. (corrections needed)I like this poem. It criticizes the approach of reverends of that age about music
A few small corrections from me
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 02:18 pm |
Thank you scalpel and lady in red for your help. I will add this poem to my profile as my favourite poem.
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 02:25 pm |
Şeytan bunun neresinde?
Where is the devil in it? (Where is the evil in it? maybe a closer saying in English, but devil is needed for the comparisons to make sense)
Telli sazdır bunun adı
A stringed instrument is its name (more poetic, not literal)
Ne âyet dinler ne kadı
It hears neither the Koran´s verse nor the village judge
Bunu çalan anlar kendi
The one who plays it understands (again, not literal)
Şeytân bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it?
Abdest alsan aldın demez
If you perform an ablution, it doesnt say “you did”
Namaz kılsan kıldın demez
If you perform a prayer, it doesn’t say “you did”
Müftü gibi haram yemez
Like the Holy official, it doesn’t eat forbidden food (not quite literal)
Şeytan bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it?
Dut ağacından teknesi
Its belly is made from the mulberry tree
Kirişten bağlı perdesi
And from tied catgut it gets its musical key (twisted to rhyme)
Behey insanın teresi
Hey you human sh..t (rhymes better!)
Şeytan bunun neresinde
Where is the devil in it?
Dertli gibi çarıksızdır
Like someone troubled without any shoes
Ayağı da çarıksızdır
Its foot is also without a shoe
Boynuzu yok kuyruksuzdur
With neither horns nor tail (more poetic)
Şeytan bunun neresinde..
Where is the devil in it?
Dertli (1772-1845)
My try. (corrections needed)I like this poem. It criticizes the approach of reverends of that age about music
Sorry. I have only noticed the other attempts now! Anyway I was too slow, but I enjoyed trying to make small improvements for the English poetic side.
Edited (3/31/2010) by Henry
[recognising other attempts ]
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 02:33 pm |
Thank you henry. Yours sounds better than mine.
Edited (3/31/2010) by gokuyum
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 02:40 pm |
My pleasure
Poetry never translates with the original feeling, but it is a challenge to try to convey the same meanings.
Thank you for sharing your excellent attempt with us, and giving me a learning exercise.
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 02:49 pm |
It doesn’t eat ill-gotten like mufti (the one gives fetwas) (.my dictionary says ´haram yemek´ = to get things (something) illegally - not ´to eat´ haram)
Dear LIR, I am wondering if there is any word/term in christian terminology which corresponds to haram in islamic terminology. There are many things that are legal according to current law but yet haram according to islam. From this point of view, getting things legally doesn´t always mean they are helâl. For example, it is legal to drink alcohol if you are over 18*, but haram from the islamic perspective no matter what is your age.
* I am not sure if there is such an age barrier, but I think it has to be...
Edited (3/31/2010) by scalpel
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 03:17 pm |
Can I answer scalpel?
No, in christianity there´s not a propter word for haram. Maybe "sin", but it isn´t the same.
In fact, for christian, there´s no a "haram" food as in Judism or Islam. For bad behavior, we talk about sins, that they are actions that move away from God.
Edited (3/31/2010) by natiypuspi
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 04:52 pm |
Can I answer scalpel?
No, in christianity there´s not a propter word for haram. Maybe "sin", but it isn´t the same.
In fact, for christian, there´s no a "haram" food as in Judism or Islam. For bad behavior, we talk about sins, that they are actions that move away from God.
Of course you can, naticim you are an expert on religions. You taught me many valuable things about the religions. I want to thank you so so so much.
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 05:20 pm |
Thanks to you dear. Because your infinite patience with me.
You always teach me something new.
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 05:45 pm |
Dear LIR, I am wondering if there is any word/term in christian terminology which corresponds to haram in islamic terminology. There are many things that are legal according to current law but yet haram according to islam. From this point of view, getting things legally doesn´t always mean they are helâl. For example, it is legal to drink alcohol if you are over 18*, but haram from the islamic perspective no matter what is your age.
* I am not sure if there is such an age barrier, but I think it has to be...
Replying out of politeness - but you already have the answer from natiypusi so nothing for me to add to that - except to say that you are right about ´legal´ drinking age in the UK, not sure about the rest of Europe but I believe it´s 21 in some States in the USA.
Edited (3/31/2010) by lady in red
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31 Mar 2010 Wed 08:07 pm |
Can I answer scalpel?
No, in christianity there´s not a propter word for haram. Maybe "sin", but it isn´t the same.
In fact, for christian, there´s no a "haram" food as in Judism or Islam. For bad behavior, we talk about sins, that they are actions that move away from God.
According to the Old Testament there áre rules about what to eat or not also for Christians. See Leviticus 7, 22-27
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 10:38 am |
I´m not sure for other Christians, but Orthodox Christians have periods of fasting, and there are rules what food is allowed to be eaten during those periods and what not.
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 02:07 pm |
According to the Old Testament there áre rules about what to eat or not also for Christians. See Leviticus 7, 22-27
Thank you Trudy for the information. I have heard about the Old Tastament, but never read it before.
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 02:22 pm |
I´m not sure for other Christians, but Orthodox Christians have periods of fasting, and there are rules what food is allowed to be eaten during those periods and what not.
I remember some Orthodox Christian neighbors of ours in my childhood neighbourhood who were fasting...is this "paskalya çöreği" related to the fasting? it is yummy!
Edited (4/1/2010) by scalpel
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 03:12 pm |
Dear LIR, I am wondering if there is any word/term in christian terminology which corresponds to haram in islamic terminology. There are many things that are legal according to current law but yet haram according to islam. From this point of view, getting things legally doesn´t always mean they are helâl. For example, it is legal to drink alcohol if you are over 18*, but haram from the islamic perspective no matter what is your age.
* I am not sure if there is such an age barrier, but I think it has to be...
To get the same meaning in English you have to expand it a bit more:
It doesn´t hypocritically do what it has banned others from doing, like the müfti does.
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 03:14 pm |
My penance was to read the whole page.
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 03:20 pm |
I remember some Orthodox Christian neighbors of ours in my childhood neighbourhood who were fasting...is this "paskalya çöreği" related to the fasting? it is yummy!
The çörek is the yummy pastry you get to eat this weekend at Paskalya (or Diriliş Bayramı - Easter when Christians celebrate that Jesus rose from the dead after dying on the cross for our sins. The fasting is the 40 day period before that. Diriliş Bayramı is a celebration and feasting time.
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01 Apr 2010 Thu 07:03 pm |
My penance was to read the whole page.
You rather had done 50 Hail Marys and also 50 the Lord´s Prayers? On your bare knees of course?
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02 Apr 2010 Fri 02:05 am |
You rather had done 50 Hail Marys and also 50 the Lord´s Prayers? On your bare knees of course?
Yet two things to learn about. After reading your post I started to search for both prayers and already found some new and interesting things. But, hey, why 50 and why on bare knees?
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02 Apr 2010 Fri 08:47 am |
Yet two things to learn about. After reading your post I started to search for both prayers and already found some new and interesting things. But, hey, why 50 and why on bare knees?
Those prayers were the penance my mother and father got when they did something wrong. They had to tell it to the priest in confession. On bare knees was thought to be a more horrible penance and the numbers? That depended on the ´sin´ one committed - stealing cookies from your mom, picking apples from the neighbour´s tree etcetera - but also on the mood of the priest. I don´t think there was a list of which sin would get X-number of prayers. Happily these days are over, at least in my country. I never went to confession because it was not compulsory any more, though my upbringing was quite strict Catholic.
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05 Apr 2010 Mon 02:46 pm |
According to the Old Testament there áre rules about what to eat or not also for Christians. See Leviticus 7, 22-27
Hi Trudy.
Actually those rules do not apply to christians, but to jews.
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05 Apr 2010 Mon 02:50 pm |
Hi Trudy.
Actually those rules do not apply to christians, but to jews.
Could be, but if the Old Testament and it´s rules doesn´t apply to Christians then why was the priest in my childhood parish often preaching out of it? I remember a lot of sermons coming from Kings, Psalm, Proverbs, Song of Solomon and more.
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05 Apr 2010 Mon 03:49 pm |
Could be, but if the Old Testament and it´s rules doesn´t apply to Christians then why was the priest in my childhood parish often preaching out of it? I remember a lot of sermons coming from Kings, Psalm, Proverbs, Song of Solomon and more.
In christianism there´s no a word for kosher food, because there´s not taboo about what to eat. Otherwise christians wouldn´t eat hamburguer and cheese.
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