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40.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 03:51 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I try to save energy, but if I was rich, would I really make such a big effort... The thing is, the whole idea behind climate change is that what I do in my house right now, will affect others for a long time to come. The deserts are growing. For me personally that´s not a big deal. And if the water of the seas rise, we will just build bigger dikes. But for the people who see their cattle die, because they can´t find any green grass to eat because of the lack of water, for those people climate change is the real killer. I believe in climate change, although it is open for a lot of discussion. I believe in it, and would like to see others believe in it to see if we can keep people alive.

 

It´s not a matter of "how much did we polute compared to this or that". It´s about a natural balance that is being disturbed. I don´t think we should wait untill the proof is enormous, but start taking measures right now. A lot of people didn´t believe in the hole in the ozon layer for a long time, until the proof grew to such an enormous size that it couldn´t be denied anymore. Measures were taken, certain chemicals were banned. And see, the hole became smaller. Humans DO have an effect on the environment in my opinion, and there´s not harm in believing that.

 

What´s the point in not believing in climate change?

 

barba,

you are disappointing me. I will not comment on your post untill you check all the possible resources both re: climate change and ozone depletion.

 

but I will answer your question. My point of not believing in the scare propaganda is that I dont wish to take part in it after seeing the results of my own research.

I do what I do for recycling and saving energy purely out of human duties. I hate waste. you dont waste energy - you dont waste money. everything has its own meaning without any global scare propaganda.

 

 

41.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 04:14 pm

Whether you believe in climate change or not, everyone should do whatever they can to reduce their carbon footprint and stop being so wasteful.  Maybe there is nothing we can do to control the overall climate....but we certainly don´t have to make it worse and we certainly don´t have to be so wastesful. 

42.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 04:27 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Whether you believe in climate change or not, everyone should do whatever they can to reduce their carbon footprint and stop being so wasteful.  Maybe there is nothing we can do to control the overall climate....but we certainly don´t have to make it worse and we certainly don´t have to be so wastesful. 

 

texans have no right to say anything about anything!

43.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 05:16 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

texans have no right to say anything about anything!

 

 Oh be quiet, Borat!  Don´t make me run you down with my 10mpg Hummer! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

44.       catwoman
8933 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 06:13 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Whether you believe in climate change or not, everyone should do whatever they can to reduce their carbon footprint and stop being so wasteful.  Maybe there is nothing we can do to control the overall climate....but we certainly don´t have to make it worse and we certainly don´t have to be so wastesful. 

 

exactly, even if we can slow down the process, we are talking about our children´s lifes on this planet.

45.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 06:22 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

barba,

you are disappointing me. I will not comment on your post untill you check all the possible resources both re: climate change and ozone depletion.

 

but I will answer your question. My point of not believing in the scare propaganda is that I dont wish to take part in it after seeing the results of my own research.

I do what I do for recycling and saving energy purely out of human duties. I hate waste. you dont waste energy - you dont waste money. everything has its own meaning without any global scare propaganda.

 

 

 

Ah, hate to disappoint you But don´t worry, I looked into the pro´s and con´s. I have to say, it´s not a very clear cut issue. And for this issue, I do understand the people who say, the evidence is not convincing enough for me. But it IS convincing enough for me I had to form an opinion on this for my job, and I had to read a LOAD of research on it, and I´m not talking about only a few UN-reports or something (I don´t trust UN reports, only the pieces that I worked on myself ). So don´t worry, even though we don´t agree, I have not disappointed you as much as you think.

46.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 06:31 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Ah, hate to disappoint you But don´t worry, I looked into the pro´s and con´s. I have to say, it´s not a very clear cut issue. And for this issue, I do understand the people who say, the evidence is not convincing enough for me. But it IS convincing enough for me I had to form an opinion on this for my job, and I had to read a LOAD of research on it, and I´m not talking about only a few UN-reports or something (I don´t trust UN reports, only the pieces that I worked on myself ). So don´t worry, even though we don´t agree, I have not disappointed you as much as you think.

 

 

what evidence? can you give some evidences e.g. for the azone depletion as you have unnecessarily touched the old propaganda that no self-respecting scientist would want to return to?

 

47.       sonunda
5004 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 07:14 pm

Excuse me for interrupting for a moment. I´m still stuck here. Today I rang the hotel in Turkey and in my best Turkish had to tell them that I wouldn´t be there until Monday. I think they understood-impressive heh ? 

You can carry on now.

48.       lemon
1374 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 07:38 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

Excuse me for interrupting for a moment. I´m still stuck here. Today I rang the hotel in Turkey and in my best Turkish had to tell them that I wouldn´t be there until Monday. I think they understood-impressive heh ? 

You can carry on now.

 

thank you for informing, i hope you wont loose your hotel reservations.

49.       sonunda
5004 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 07:54 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

thank you for informing, i hope you wont loose your hotel reservations.

 

Aww lemon-you are sweet,thank you.   {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

50.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 08:27 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

Excuse me for interrupting for a moment. I´m still stuck here. Today I rang the hotel in Turkey and in my best Turkish had to tell them that I wouldn´t be there until Monday. I think they understood-impressive heh ? 

You can carry on now.

 

 Offfff!  Did we go off topic?  AGAIN???{#emotions_dlg.shame}  We are naughty classmate...Sorry.  Hope you have a great trip!  Don´t forget to dress appropriately so you don´t cause any earthquakes!{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.ninja}

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