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Far-Right Party Gains in Dutch Election
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1.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 04:19 pm

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende resigned Wednesday as leader of the Christian Democratic Alliance after exit polls from the country´s national elections projected that his party would lose 20 of its 41 parliamentary seats.

 

Balkenende, who also gave up his seat in parliament, will remain in office as prime minister until a new coalition government is formed.That process could take months because no clear winner was projected in Wednesday´s elections.

 

The exit polls showed the center-right Liberal Party and center-left Labor Party tying with 31 seats each, while the far-right, anti-Islam Freedom Party of controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders more than doubled its seats, going from nine to 23 - far ahead of analyst expectations.

 

With its strong showing at the polls, there was speculation that the Freedom Party could play a role in a forthcoming coalition government.

 

Opinion polls earlier had predicted the Liberal Party, led by Mark Rutte, would come out on top. Rutte had promised to lower taxes and dramatically slash government spending to bring the country´s budget quickly back to surplus.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/103154/far-right-party-gains-in-dutch-election.html

2.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 04:36 pm

The PVV (the party in question here) is actually not far right. It´s a populist party, with a very left winged view on government budget, and a very racist view on everything else. So the racist part makes people think they are right-winged. But on the part of government spending they hardly want to slash anything... so smart, during times of crisis

 

I just want to make clear that the power of this party shows the exact percentage of idiots in my country  So overall, most people still have a brain. The brains in our country might not all agree on the direction we should take (the results of the elections give a very mixed view, with the spectrum of left to right being well covered), but they do have one

 

By the way, most parties made a "exclusion clause", promissing the Dutch voters they would not negotiate with the PVV to form a government. The speculation that the PVV will be a part of the Dutch government is therefor very likely to be nothing more than that... speculation.



Edited (6/10/2010) by barba_mama

3.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 04:40 pm

 

Quoting oeince

 

The exit polls showed the center-right Liberal Party and center-left Labor Party tying with 31 seats each, while the far-right, anti-Islam Freedom Party of controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders more than doubled its seats, going from nine to 23 - far ahead of analyst expectations.

 

With its strong showing at the polls, there was speculation that the Freedom Party could play a role in a forthcoming coalition government.

 

 

I wonder what this means for the many Islamic immigrants in Holland.  I know there are so many different political parties in the Netherlands that it must be very difficult for any one party to have very much control or power(of course, this is an assumption).  How many seats total are their in the Dutch parliment? 

 

What makes this party anti-islamic? (just asking - because I don´t know).  Do they come right out and say "we are anti-islamic" or are they just wanting to control immigration and other aspects of society and that is being perceived as anti-islamic.   

 

 

4.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 04:52 pm

My predication, Geert will go away in 2 or 3 years. It will all blow over. The Dutch parlement has 150 seats, and he´ll never be prime minister or something. The amount of people who are very strongly against him is too great.

 

The anti-Muslim thing is very clear... Mister Wilders has named the Islamification (whatever that might be) of Holland as a big threat. He has said that Muslims form a threat to Dutch culture. He is totally focussed on mosques and headscarfs. The guy seems to forget that the biggest part of Dutch culture is the inclusion of outsiders, and it has been for centuries. This is what has made my little home country big. Our outwards view. It has been like this for centuries, and the start of our Golden Age actually came from Belgian (Flemish) immigrants. Our national flower show the connection we have, since it is the tulip, once introduced here through Turkish trade.

 

But good old Geert Wilders has just changed history a bit for grumpy people, who get nowhere in life. Instead of thinking how they can change their useless existence, Geert has given them a better option. Don´t change your life, don´t work hard and try to make something of yourself. No, just blame somebody else for ALL you problems... who can we blame... oh I know, the Muslims!

 

By the way, a few years ago when Geert was still part of another party, he had no problems with Muslims at all. When the Twin Towers in New York were attacked, he was actually one of the people who said that we shouldn´t give Muslims in Holland dirty looks for what some idiots did there. But after a few years, Geert realised he could get more power by just screaming populist phrases and lying.



Edited (6/10/2010) by barba_mama

5.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:14 pm

The Nedherlands is not the only one. Rise of far-right in the whole Europe frightens me. I am afraid the situation will be worse during the economic crises deepens. I hope Europeans stop that dengeraous run!

6.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:19 pm

It seems that politicians are taking advantage of the fact that many people fear Islam because of the events of 9/11.  What some people won´t do to get votes and serve their own selfish purposes!  Unfortunately, this is reality for many Western countries, including the US.  Look at our recent policies on Immigration in Arizona.  It is all based on fear and ignorance.  Like you, I am glad it is a small segment of the population who hate outsiders of any kind.  However, the rest of the world looks at these things as evidence that all Western people feel this way.   



Edited (6/10/2010) by Elisabeth

7.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 06:15 pm

Although a remarkable portion of people, including me thinks that 9/11 is an event that is organized by American deep state to create the convenient environment to start Greater Middle East Initiative I will keep away from touching that point in order 9/11 is so sensitive for most Americans.

 

Whatever the reason is, rise of far-right is one of the most dangerous problems we all are faced. I really don’t know how it can be solved. But at least we can warn our own society not to believe in extremists and be skeptic about the media.

 

This is a problem we must solve together. Hate causes hate! If we cannot solve together, we will burn together!

8.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 07:17 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Although a remarkable portion of people, including me thinks that 9/11 is an event that is organized by American deep state to create the convenient environment to start Greater Middle East Initiative I will keep away from touching that point in order 9/11 is so sensitive for most Americans.

 

Whatever the reason is, rise of far-right is one of the most dangerous problems we all are faced. I really don’t know how it can be solved. But at least we can warn our own society not to believe in extremists and be skeptic about the media.

 

This is a problem we must solve together. Hate causes hate! If we cannot solve together, we will burn together!

 

Whoever/whatever is responsible for 9/11 is immaterial at this point.  I believe 9/11 was orchestrated to get a reaction from America/Americans and a tool (used by whomever) to perpetuate a response of fear and hatred.  Extremism in most forms is dangerous.  (I say most forms because I am a firm believer in extreme kindness, forgiveness and compassion...etc.{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

I agree with you oeince, people need to learn to think for themselves and not be so persuaded by media and the all too common rhetoric that corrupts people´s minds.  To do this, people are going to have to be willing to give up old ideals and embrace the fact that we are all human and not so different from eachother.  As humans we need to stop looking at our governments and politicians to do the right thing.  Hopefully, in the Netherlands as well as in every other Western country people recognize that these politicians are not acting in the best interest of the country...but for their own political gains. 

9.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 07:46 pm

I don´t want to say "far-right"  is the problem. Let´s just call it by what it is. Xenofobism is the problem.

10.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Jun 2010 Thu 08:59 pm

I agree with you both. I think we just think differently on the reason of 9/11.

 

According to my point of view, USA needed a new enemy after the cold war ended with the victory of USA. Because if a government have enemies the society turns to be nervous and fearful that makes the government to govern them more easily. Fearful people need someone from their side to trust. So if a government have enemies the public trusts you more. If a government have enemies, citizens can abandon from more things. That means more stable tax income and less criticism. If a gun producer government has enemies all conflicts turns as income to her. If a government has enemies the society believes the whole miserable situation of them is just because the enemies. They throw up their hatred to the enemy and get relaxed.
 
Political Psychologist Vamik Volkan investigates that issue very well in The Need to Have Enemies and Allies. Here is the abstract of the book;

This paper describes as an inescapable developmental phenomenon: man´s need to identify some people as allies and others as enemies. This need evolves from the individual´s efforts to protect his sense of self, which is intertwined with his experiences of ethnicity, nationality, and other identifying circumstances. When threatened by political or military conflict, man clings ever more stubbornly to these circumstances in an effort to maintain and regulate his sense of self. Members of any given group revert to childhood ways of reenforcing their bonding, developing shibboleths, and investing objects with mystical value. Anyone trying to deal with interethnic or international conflict must grasp the psychological cogency of man´s need to have enemies as well as allies, and his stubborn adherence to identification with a group when undergoing hardship and danger. This need is the basis of political psychology, connecting the public arena of political action with individual psychological development. Political, economic, military, and historical factors are customarily weighed in any attempt to solve turbulence, but it is necessary to consider also the profound effect of human psychology.

 

In conclusion, I think we Muslims, Americans and the rest are playing their roles that are written by the USA. I hope we ordinary people can find a way to stay friends. Otherwise, if we just follow our governments we will realize that we all have been used for bloody purposes.

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