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100.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jul 2010 Thu 07:29 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am begining to think if we are talking about the same thing?

Look at the website and look at southeast or Turkey? Look at the colours!! 

http://secim.haberler.com/2009/

Almost all critics/scolars/politicians even the army  are accepting the fact that Kurds are supporting BDP.. The very Kurdish people are telling you that. I am sorry but you coming back as ´BDP is not supported by Kurds´ is something no one believes.. And I still dont understand why you are trying insist on this? lol

I can even understand people saying ´they do support  buy they are threatened by PKK´ because there is admission there  about the support.. But trying to prove that Kurds dont support BDP is a joke!! 

Yet another exaggeration. At least 90% of the Turks think ´Turkey belongs to Turks´ is an idiotic slogan. And guess what.. you are not the only one thinking that way. 

So please, stop making it look like you are the last and the most clever and educated Kurd this planet has ever seen.

Well, I dont think you are telling the truth with that.. Turkey has the biggest racist party of Europe..They have the vote 20% at least.

But I welcome you for ridiculing the racists slogans.. I hope you will join me in calling "andimiz" as racist as well..

The rest of your post is based on the fact that I was Kurdish..

It was a seriously wrong assumption..lol 

So. Stop messing around and say you are with the option a or b?

It is a very simple question..

(repeating again as you refuse to answer it lol )

a) Give their rights to Kurds and live with them peacefully (Banning their language and trying to assimilate them and insisting ´there are no kurds´, forcing them ´look you are Turks´ did not work)

b) Insist that it is terrorism only (like we did since 198 and accuse USA and EU and see more people dying and eventually see Turkey being split.

 

ps.. If you really dont know what rights taken from Kurds and asking for a list, and if you are serious on that question I am afraid to say to you but, you should really just stop arguing with me and look around if  the country you have been living in is called Turkey really. lol lol 

 

101.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:04 pm

It is not about peace or Kurdish rights or Kurdish identity. This is something else that Kurds were promised that is why there is public support, it is very clear since BDP(former DTP) parliaments declared that Öcalan is their leader. PKK established in 70s in other words a way before the Diyarbakır prison unlike the claims of our so democratic and liberal intellectuels mention that this prison created PKK.  At first they were picking off one boy or a girl from each house in each village to raise them as militants on mountains, any family rejecting this were being killed, so if you were Kurd and didnt like pkk, your punishment was execution of you and your family. Yes, pkk is a terrorist organisation and its supporters and sympathisers are no different than them, even they were forced, their aim is peace or what?? Weapons are in good harmony with peace, right?? Aim is surely not peace or Kurdish rights or Kurdish identity, as i told in my previous post, they have got many benefits as well since pkk is the biggest drug-smuggler of the middle east, there is a big unearned income there, which terrorist organization wants to give up this?

Anyway if we come to our day, we are now living a phase of legalization and justification of PKK, also with the great effort of ruling party of Turkey.  In this process the massacres of terrorist organization are also trying to be pinned on Turkish army via the help of Ergenekon theatre and the proponent  media in order to justify pkk terrorism. Most Kurds see Öcalan as their leader even their extensions in parliament points out him to negotiate not themselves.  So what do they want? Only the Kurdish rights? Do these terrorists live on the mountains like an animal just to obtain Kurdish rights? Do they take the risk of being killed just because they are not educated in Kurdish?  Absolutely not. There is another motive. Turkish people have been injected for years that Kurds are our brothers, ok most of us see them as brothers, but what about Kurds? Same is valid for them? There is big Kurdification ongoing in this region since 70s, actually it is spattered the whole Turkey especially the big cities and the touristic areas.

What happened in the latest period  with the famous Kurdish opening? Now TRT is 24 hours broadcasting in Kurdish, there are departments of Kurdish Literature in Turkish universities, Kurdish newspapers, magazines, journals, books are being published more than before, there are Kurdish language courses(even they do not attract anyone), Kurdish Institutes, Kurdish charity funds etc. It seems all of these are not enough to satisfy Kurds because people are still talking on TVs, newspapers, everywhere about “Kurdish problem”. Now what else left?  Maybe only Kurdish education in public schools.  Do anyone think PKK cease fire and “Kurdish problem” will be solved if this also accepted? Never!  This is not the main issue of course, do not try to fool yourselves.  What they want is, in the first step PKK and islamist Kurds(AKP supporters) demand a federated region similar to one in Iraq which compasses East and South East of Turkey. I think you all can guess what will happen if Turkey accepts this. Terrorist leader in İmralı also emphasized this clearly in his map route solving “Kurdish problem”. This murdered was begging to Turkish state during his judgement that he was now under the command of Turkey, he would do anything for Turkey, even he was crying that his mother is of Turkish origin. I told this to see in which situation is in Turkey now.  Anyway addition to these one more reason  why pkk wont cease fire is of course the money, pkk is a big holding, picking off huge amount of money from Turkey and Iran pass points by extortion or directly smuggling.

And as for the priorities of West and AKP was firstly to justify PKK terrorism, they firstly planned to disarm some group of terrorists and make them capitulate but of course they were promised to be free, even some of them proposed to live in European countries, other ones planned to be integrated with Barzani forces who is in my opinon legal pkk. The rest continue to smuggling and would be hold as a threat to Turkish Republic. But when the first group of terrorists welcomed like heros by Kurds which caused a big reaction in Turkish society, first attempt of the plan was badly failed. And now it is in the period of sagnation.  Pkk attacks started agin heavily because it seems Turkish government is not able to fulfill its promises. One of their other plan was also to free the  terrorist leader so that he could be the president of federated Kurdish region in Turkey, similar to Barzani in Iraq.  AKP tried this very hard in every year of their rulership, i remember people are calling AKP as “Arab Kurdish Party” at that time.

Actually main aim is to create a new tampon Kurdish state in the region to secure the petroleum and of course the Israel as a project of middle east.  But since AKP could not get along good with Israel and fulfill his promises to Kurds, it is now in sagnation as i mentioned, there are some changes taking place in Turkish politics during this period. Lets see what will happen in future, especially after elections.

 

102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 11:49 am

 

Members of the peace groups that arrived in Turkey on 19 October upon the call from  Abdullah Öcalan are reported to go back to Kurdistan Region in Iraq.Peace groups that came from both Qandil Mountain and Makhmur Refugee Camp are going back to Makhmur due to pressure and prosecution they are subjected by the Turkish government.

http://www.timeturk.com/acilim-icin-gelenler-geri-dondu_132986-haberi.html

 

Well done nationalists.. You managed to prevent the peace once more !! Be proud of yourself.. 

 



Edited (7/20/2010) by thehandsom

103.       si++
3785 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:05 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Members of the peace groups that arrived in Turkey on 19 October upon the call from  Abdullah Öcalan are reported to go back to Kurdistan Region in Iraq.Peace groups that came from both Qandil Mountain and Makhmur Refugee Camp are going back to Makhmur due to pressure and prosecution they are subjected by the Turkish government.

http://www.timeturk.com/acilim-icin-gelenler-geri-dondu_132986-haberi.html

 

Well done nationalists.. You managed to prevent the peace once more !! Be proud of yourself.. 

 

 

Why put all the blame on Turks? Kurds should see their wrongdoings too.

104.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:10 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Why put all the blame on Turks? Kurds should see their wrongdoings too.

 

Will you go and blame them now? 

Who does not want peace here now eh?

Tell us who? 

Tell us that you want peace!! and tell us that they are the ones who dont want peace!!

Can you?

Can you put your hand into your heart and say that you want peace and ready to live with the Kurds?

 

105.       si++
3785 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:23 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Will you go and blame them now? 

Who does not want peace here now eh?

Tell us who? 

Tell us that you want peace!! and tell us that they are the ones who dont want peace!!

Can you?

Can you put your hand into your heart and say that you want peace and ready to live with the Kurds?

 

 

From what I see more and more Kurds (Thanks to the PKK) do not want to live with Turks. You can easily see their hate against Turks. Why should I want to live with those who hate us? More and more Turks do not want to live with them either. Day by day we are heading to you-know-where.

106.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:28 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

From what I see more and more Kurds (Thanks to the PKK) do not want to live with Turks. You can easily see their hate against Turks. Why should I want to live with those who hate us? More and more Turks do not want to live with them either. Day by day we are heading to you-know-where.

 

Well we want peace and we want to live with Kurds ... You can go and march up and down chanting  ´ I want war; I dont want peace´

We will always support peace and be against the division of Turkey.. We have seen enough blood.. 

 

107.       si++
3785 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:36 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well we want peace and we want to live with Kurds ... You can go and march up and down chanting  ´ I want war; I dont want peace´

We will always support peace and be against the division of Turkey.. We have seen enough blood.. 

 

 

Who are you? We don´t have the likes of you here? Continue to stay in UK and live there.

 

If Kurds hate us, we hate them too. What´s else can you expect? If that leads to separation so be it. That can be good for both parties. I think we are going in that direction.

108.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:41 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Who are you? We don´t have the likes of you here? Continue to stay in UK and live there.

 

If Kurds hate us, we hate them too. What´s else can you expect? If that leads to separation so be it. That can be good for both parties. I think we are going in that direction.

 

I know you hate them.. That is the reason why you dont like the idea of ´peace´.

So let it be known..

WE want peace and not separation. That is all from my point..

 

109.       si++
3785 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 12:55 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I know you hate them.. That is the reason why you dont like the idea of ´peace´.

So let it be known..

WE want peace and not separation. That is all from my point..

 

 

How do you know? Everyday I interact with Kurds. Believe me those who know personnaly like me.

 

I am stating my observation. I see their hate against us on their looks and acts (through media coverage). I hate their hate against us, that´s only it.

 

110.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 04:44 pm

I hate you because you hate me and I hate the way you hate me... HUH? The only way that there can ever be some kind of progress in this situation is if everybody just stops saying to eachother "you go first!" It´s just ridicolous... everybody is waiting for the other to make the first step, go on their knees and cry "everything was my fault".

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