I said if if my interpretation is wrong, explain it to me. I´m not a Turkish speaker, the article was very hard for me to understand.

Well you dont need to be a Turkish speaker to understand the peculiarity of the situation from democratic principles´ point of view:

The head of the army  is telling some members  of parliment that they should go to mountains.

Do you hear any of  your generals talking in the same manner to the people you selected and sent to your parliment?

That is why our democratic values are being questioned by our own citizens, that is why we have a rebellion, that is why people are dying.

He´s referring to what that guy said. I would expect you to talk about it also. What did he say? Help us get a better picture of it.

Yes, a Dutch general told our parlement to go to Afghanistan, and he told them to listen to the Dutch soldiers there. (The parlement was fighting if the Dutch should leave Afghanistan or not, while the soldiers there wanted to stay. They thought there work was not done, and if they would leave the weak peace they had created in that region would break down) It´s democracy in its purest form, because democracy can only work if there is freedom of speech. The parlement is not the king. I think that what your general said is actually very democratic. So, I DID get the point of what the general said and I still stad by what I said before. Parlement only works when it deals with reality, and doesn´t make decisions from an ivory tower.

I think we have a different understanding about what democracy is and what the difference is between a general saying to the parliament ´go and listen to our soldiers in Afghanistan´ and a head of the army telling the members of parliament ´you either go to mountains or obey the constitution´.

They both are quite different.. If those words were uttered in your country, your PM would fire him at the spot.. Obama firing the general who was in charge of USA army in Afghanistan was a small example (even though the general was just a foul mouthed person. It was not interfering with the politics)

Apart from what they said are different, Turkish army is the army staged 3 named several unnamed coups in last 50 years. Our army thinks that  they are the protectors of what we have in Turkey. I am not  going to mention again how many people who got killed; how many who got tortured; how many was made vanish simply..neither I am  going to mention either their continuing  plans of overthrowing the elected governments and creating chaos deliberately by killing our own citizens etc

So, in a nut shell, what our general said is not the purest form of democracy it is quite the opposite..

you go to the mountains or obey the constitution? I´m completely lost in this because I don´t kow what part of the constitution they are referring to. I never really understood the very difficult relationship between government and army in Turkey. It seems a constant struggle for power, and I´m unsure about who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. Is this also related to the referendum that is planned for September?

This is much more than that..

This is like awakening from a dream of an 85 years of deep sleep.. 

These are clashing values.. On the one hand 85 years of statuesque with ´the state is everything and its people obey the rules to keep the state as it is´ versus ´state is there for its people´    

thehandsom are you in exile in the UK?  

none of your business..

Why? Because you are depicting a junta regime in your posts.

Take your clocks 85 years back in time, this would take you to the birth of the new Turkish republic built on the ashes of the Ottoman Empire in the wake of a war of independence that claimed the lives of millions of people on countless front in all directions. This country fought against everyone from Indians to Aussies, from the French to the English. Kemal Ataturk established the new republic within what he called the national territory. His regime was Jacobian in essence but that seemed to be the only way to put into effect the radical changes in his mind. He used his government to introduce democracy, freedom and equality to a society which had long been denied of them amid clashes and quarrels.

Ataturk died in 1939. Hitler, Franco,Mussolini came one generation later. The world witnessed cruelties performed by those "new" leaders. Decades later, the leaders of the democratic world washed Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq in human blood.  

Don´t try to teach me any lessons, I was not raised in a palace. When there were lines I waited on those lines, when there were interruptions in democracy I was there as one of the sufferers. I watched social democrats ruin the country by breaking chairs on each others´ head. 

At the end of the day, I love this country as much as anyone else does his own country.