Research shows that most Kurds do not support PKK... so... there you go I posted the link to the research a while back, too lazy to look it up. It was done by a Turkish University if I remember correctly. It showed how the majority of the Kurds didn´t support PKK, and how the majority of the Turks thought that Kurds do support PKK.

Who cares that researchs? Were you thinking that they would say they were supporting PKK openly at that time? In past many similar researchs had done in order to emphasize the Turkish & Kurdish brothership and to help Turks sleep. But now people do not swallow these lies. Actually it was well-known but people were afraid to voice it especially Kurds, every action done secretly. But with current Turkish government, they dont need to fear anything, and they know it very well, so now it can be easily observed that most of the Kurds support PKK and they have a voice in parliament which is BDP. Now Turks also observe this when terrorists weolcomed by a whole city or when whole city attended the funeral ceremony of terrorists with their slogans. The latest slogan came from Yüksekova which is " PKK is pubic and public is here" as you see they now can say this openly without fear, similar to other slogans that are praising terrorist leader even Seyh Said etc. Have you ever seen a terrorist organization living for years without public support??

The PKK has support, but saying that MOST of the Kurds support PKK is wrong. You have NO evidence to back up that statement, and it only helps the division of people who are living in one country.

Ok doğrucu barba, i know generalizing is not good... 

+10000

Correct analysis. Of course, it is not 100% in my view but the gist of it is correct..

Thank you..

Why not..

Below are the points I agree with his post and almost identical to what I have been saying :

Who cares that researchs? Were you thinking that they would say they were supporting PKK openly at that time? In past many similar researchs had done in order to emphasize the Turkish & Kurdish brothership and to help Turks sleep. But now people do not swallow these lies. Actually it was well-known but people were afraid to voice it especially Kurds, every action done secretly. But with current Turkish government, they dont need to fear anything, and they know it very well, so now it can be easily observed that most of the Kurds support PKK and they have a voice in parliament which is BDP. Now Turks also observe this when terrorists weolcomed by a whole city or when whole city attended the funeral ceremony of terrorists with their slogans. The latest slogan came from Yüksekova which is " PKK is pubic and public is here" as you see they now can say this openly without fear, similar to other slogans that are praising terrorist leader even Seyh Said etc. Have you ever seen a terrorist organization living for years without public support??

The gist in Armegon´s post is ´Kurds have a party they support and the party is not denying their indirect links with PKK´ (same as sinn fein -IRA)

He just said what I have been trying to say (and being critisized by the people like ´no Kurds dont support BDP/if they do, they were thretened by PKK  blah blah..´

So why do you think my post is wrong?  (and the number +100000 ? )

Theh, don´t hide behind armegon´s post. He doesn´t know what he is talking about. Almost half of the Kurds in that region voted for AKP (see the election statistics). Kurds living in western Turkey didn´t vote for the Kurdish political party BDP but for Turkish neo-islamist party AKP. If you think all the Kurds voted for BDP, you will have to say that only 5.7% of the population of Turkey is Kurds!  

It is known that PKK is not "100% made in Turkey". At least 30% of the militants are from Syria, Iran, Iraq and Armenia ( I am wondering what democratic rights Turkey could give, for example, a Syrian citizen!)  and north of Iraq has been nest for this terrorist organisation for more than two decades because of the absence of the authority (thanks to United States for creating such a territory above the 36th parallel !) If PKK Camps were in Turkey, they would have no chance to survive.  Kurdish problem of Turkey cannot be understood without attention to "the Big Middle East Project", without attention to "the Middle East petroleum", without attention to "the safety of Israel".

I wish the Kurdish Problem of Turkey were so simple as you described, but unfortunately not, and as long as United States (=American Petroleum Companies) sees PKK like a pawn on chessboard (named Middle East) to move forward, I am afraid, we won´t be able to solve the problem. 

Another thing to note here that approximately 30% of the soldiers who lost their lives during the terrorists attacks of PKK were of Kurdish origin (An example was given in this thread).

I know. It is not Armegon we know.. But there is also this theory that we, Turks have a kind of societal schizophrenia and in this, we would like to present a solidarity to the world and say ´A´ but in our close circuits we say the truth, ´B´. I guess he felt really comfortable writing in tc and thought no need to lie anymore
Ok what is the lie here? The lie is ´Kurds do not support their own Kurdish party which does NOT see PKK as terrorist´.
See, you yourself is saying that they voted for AKP and Kurdish party. Why? Because AKP is the only party that ´tries to do something for them such as Kurdish opening/ Kurdish channel etc´ whereas, almost all nationalists are warmongering.

Dont you see Kurds are practically spitting on the face of people who says ´this is terrorism only´ by not voting for them..
They are definitely not voting for the biggest fascist/racist party of Europe, MHP and so-called social, so-called democrat party CHP. They are obviously voting for either Their own Kurdish party or the islamic party which says ´Together, we are Turkey´. They are not voting for racist parties that says ´Turkey belongs to Turks´.
So basically, I dont think I was hiding  behind Armegon´s post. I was kind of thinking that my ideas are vindicated..

Anyway, the rest of your post is bit of a fantasia, a bit of a blaming others for our own Kurdish problem which has been the result of our own short coming and our own ruthless/racist and failed assimilation attempts on Kurds. But most of all is ´not knowing the history´.

Kurds have been rebelling since 1920s. Pkk itself was created in 1970s long before "the Big Middle East Project". That is nothing to do with 36 parallel or 136 parallel..

Good post! (I didn´t want to press "like this message" because it would seem like I like people dying in this conflict)