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50.       mylo
856 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 01:42 am

Ready to enter Europe then?

51.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 11:07 am

 

Quote:

OK. I´ve read the article written by Nabi Yagci, the former secretary general of Turkish Communist Party. I´ve found an extensive article featuring him exclusively:

http://www.iscimucadelesi.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=69

 

I have also found a strange similarity between you and him after reading this paragraph:

"Nabi Yagci and people of his ilk will not give up on their opinions which are borrowed from the junkyard of history unless they witness labour blows like the one on 15 and 16 of June."

 

I dont know who you are but you tad bit missed the point.. The point was not the writer but what he has written.. 

What is wrong  him pointing at the ´race hatred´ in Turkey and saying that it is crime against humanity? Specially, everybody seems to agree ´there is not hate racism but OUR PATRIOTIC BOYS  are being provoked´ ? lol If we are sure "there is no hatred towards Kurds" why would that statement will bother us? eh ? lol lol 

Why is Nabi yagci´s former position is important is another thing.. Obviously, he has lived all the political storms in Turkey and now he is a good, old, full of wisdom, experienced guy. He has never been my hero but I like what he writes:

Hatred of race is crime against humanity.. It will always be!! 

 

 

52.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Aug 2010 Mon 10:27 pm

It seems like "the deep state" again!!

I was right about my suspicions for this incident.. This is again the state using MHP racists to create yet another pogrom!!

Just like they did in "Maras Massacre"!!

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The prospects of a provocation behind an attack at first believed to have been carried out by the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK) that claimed the lives of four police officers in the Dörtyol district of Hatay last week and the ensuing ethnic conflict that erupted in the town are becoming stronger with the discovery of the involvement of gendarmerie intelligence, JITEM, in the incident.                                                                                                                            
Dörtyol was the scene of high tension last week that began on Monday when four police officers were killed in a terrorist attack on a police cruiser, after which a nationalist group set the district´s pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party´s (BDP) office ablaze, chanting slogans against the terrorist PKK. Tensions ran high in the city throughout last week.

.... before and after the attack in which members of the gendarmerie were involved, strengthening the possibility of a deliberate provocation.

Yesterday, the Bugün daily reported that the automobile used by the suspected PKK terrorists to attack the police officers belonged to Bestami Kiliç, a member of the Payas Municipality City Council from the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Kiliç claimed that he had been kidnapped by PKK terrorists before the incident and that his automobile was used in the attack. Gendarmerie intelligence reports revealed that Kiliç met with three officers from the gendarmerie´s intelligence unit known as JITEM several hours before the PKK attack. The meeting took place at a mine that belongs to Kiliç, and the officers were reportedly in civilian attire.

JITEM is an illegal intelligence unit inside the gendarmerie whose existence has thus far been denied by the General Staff despite a growing body of evidence proving its existence and activities.

...

http://www.todayszaman.com/t..aises-prospects-of-provocation-in-dortyol.html

 



Edited (8/2/2010) by thehandsom
Edited (8/2/2010) by thehandsom

53.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Aug 2010 Mon 11:53 pm

Only the brain-washed Nurcu team and their liberal companions can believe and relate Dörtyol incidents to deep state as they try to realte all PKK actions to Ergenekon fairy tale in order to justify terrorism, so not surprising today´s zaman the voice of Nurcu team sooner or later will relate it to deep state, actually they have been preparing since one week.

It is easy to find out who were behind the Hatay terrorist attacks, just need to ask who benefited from it? In the light of wider perspective, it is actually well-known that Nurcu team and liberals are wanting the Gendarmerie to be abolished, professionalized and to be associated with Police Department, so it can be fully under the control of Ministry of Interior. It is also known that Police Deprtament has been seized by Nurcu team, and Gendarmerie is very important for them since Gendarmeire takes the responsibility of following reactionary, bigotted and missionary actions. By this way they plan to break the connection of TSK with public. TESEV has been struggling to achieve this for years. And with the help of Dörtyol incidents, they achieved to stop the assignation of Saldıray Berk who was thought to be the top General of Gendarmeire this year, and with many fabricated evidences the assignation of ten generals are also stopped. It seems AKP very much benefited from the incidents to reach their aim, one more step closer. Can we say AKP is in collaboration with PKK? Absolutely, it is clear as day, their connection with terrorist leader was also proved...

54.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 12:43 am

 

Quoting armegon

Only the brain-washed Nurcu team and their liberal companions can believe and relate Dörtyol incidents to deep state as they try to realte all PKK actions to Ergenekon fairy tale in order to justify terrorism, so not surprising today´s zaman the voice of Nurcu team sooner or later will relate it to deep state, actually they have been preparing since one week.

It is easy to find out who were behind the Hatay terrorist attacks, just need to ask who benefited from it? In the light of wider perspective, it is actually well-known that Nurcu team and liberals are wanting the Gendarmerie to be abolished, professionalized and to be associated with Police Department, so it can be fully under the control of Ministry of Interior. It is also known that Police Deprtament has been seized by Nurcu team, and Gendarmerie is very important for them since Gendarmeire takes the responsibility of following reactionary, bigotted and missionary actions. By this way they plan to break the connection of TSK with public. TESEV has been struggling to achieve this for years. And with the help of Dörtyol incidents, they achieved to stop the assignation of Saldıray Berk who was thought to be the top General of Gendarmeire this year, and with many fabricated evidences the assignation of ten generals are also stopped. It seems AKP very much benefited from the incidents to reach their aim, one more step closer. Can we say AKP is in collaboration with PKK? Absolutely, it is clear as day, their connection with terrorist leader was also proved...

 

It is really interesting people still dont associate this incident to the others like Kahramanmaras where deep state organized and used MHP members as trigger-men to stage a pogrom or massacre!!
The official version of the events so far:
-PKK attacks a police vehicle and kills 4 policemen (by using a car)
-MHP members -our boys!!- then attacked the Kurdish districts and BDP (Kurdish party) buildings. Burnt some of them..
-Suddenly we all started to think ´a civil war is looming´
But then we learnt that
-The car used for attacking the police belongs to ´acting head of municipal government´ and he is from MHP (the racist party of Turkey)!!!
And according to him (his version)
-While he was driving in a remote location he comes across JITEM members(he calls them ´Gendarme intelligence personnel dressed in civilian clothes´. He chats with them..he obviously knows them)!!!
-5 Minutes later (after leaving them) PKK members stops him and they confiscate his car..(3 of them leave with the car and 2 of them take him as hostage right there; they are taking his phone and keeping him there for 4 hours and release him)
-then later  a rumors of ´PKK members got caught and they are in the police station´. MHP members gather infront of the station etc..

It looks like ´the dirtiness´ of this war was not dirty enough, now , we might be  entering the stages where the deep state and MHP members are ´the experts´!!PKK seems to be doing everything for clearing their path too!!!

This is a ´foolproof´ MHP-deep state working together incident to me..
I think, in old days, police would be in that group too.. We learnt what happened in  maras/cankiri/malatya incidents much much later.. But this time, I guess, because police is not in that group, we are learning much more quickly..
And this time, I assume, we have a greater chance of preventing a blood bath!!

55.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 01:05 am

So you think, they executed this with such a bad plan, at this time of Turkey where everybody even avoid to use their phone in order to prevent phone-listenings, only naives and Nurcu team believe this. It is not that simple as i explained in my previous post, actually i havent detailed much, there are other issues as well... 

Quoting thehandsom

This is a ´foolproof´ MHP-deep state working together incident to me.. 

 

 

56.       si++
3785 posts
 09 Aug 2010 Mon 11:03 am

PKK with the support of their extension in Turkish Assembly (BDP), are preparing for the next step of what they call "Democratic autonomy".
At the municipalities where a member of BDP is elected, they will open "Kurdistan" flags. Two meetings were held for discussing this next move, one in Diyarbakır and the other at Kandil (PKK headquarter).
It´s expected that Karayılan, the current leader of PKK, will announce it within this week. They also plan to establish regional assemblies.

What does all this mean?
East and South-East of Turky will be bact to to the pre-1990 days when the terror was all around. Turkish state will of course take steps to prevent the PKK moves and PKK plans to provoke all the Kurds for resisting to Turkish state in return. The final aim is to start Kurdish resistence by all the Kurds in the region including the city centers. They are also aiming to turn this resistence into a international conflict. Of course the final aim is an independent Kurdish state in the East and Sout-Esat of Turky.

 

Quoted from: here

57.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 12:20 am

I posted this message. It seems it has become anonymous. There is some sort of freaky thing going on with this thread. Could it be Poltergeist?

Quote:

OK. I´ve read the article written by Nabi Yagci, the former secretary general of Turkish Communist Party. I´ve found an extensive article featuring him exclusively:

http://www.iscimucadelesi.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=69

 

I have also found a strange similarity between you and him after reading this paragraph:

"Nabi Yagci and people of his ilk will not give up on their opinions which are borrowed from the junkyard of history unless they witness labour blows like the one on 15 and 16 of June."

 

 

58.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 11:25 am

 

Quoting si++

PKK with the support of their extension in Turkish Assembly (BDP), are preparing for the next step of what they call "Democratic autonomy".
At the municipalities where a member of BDP is elected, they will open "Kurdistan" flags. Two meetings were held for discussing this next move, one in Diyarbakır and the other at Kandil (PKK headquarter).
It´s expected that Karayılan, the current leader of PKK, will announce it within this week. They also plan to establish regional assemblies.

What does all this mean?
East and South-East of Turky will be bact to to the pre-1990 days when the terror was all around. Turkish state will of course take steps to prevent the PKK moves and PKK plans to provoke all the Kurds for resisting to Turkish state in return. The final aim is to start Kurdish resistence by all the Kurds in the region including the city centers. They are also aiming to turn this resistence into a international conflict. Of course the final aim is an independent Kurdish state in the East and Sout-Esat of Turky.

 

Quoted from: here

 

What a bigoted view from  Fatih Altayli, one of the ´white Turks´.. 

When people like him call Kurds with every single racist slur such as ´they are primitive; they are feudal; they give birth to 5 kids; they are second class  blah blah´ and then turn around and make their view  shamelessly  such as ´why do we need to live with them; we should split from the Kurds etc´, everything is fine!!

But if the Kurds talk about "Democratic autonomy", they can NOT.. 

Mother of bigoted views!!

Apart from being  unoriginal, his view does not take into account the fact that ´they are just talking; they are not taking arms to impose their views´. 

In the end, it is a classical case of how a ´common white Turks´ sees the situation!!



Edited (8/10/2010) by thehandsom

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