An unpleasant attack at tombstones

An unpleasant attack occurred last night at Muslim cemetery in "Gümilcine" (Komotini) in western Thrace, Greece.
Some vandals destroted more than 10 tombstones, wrote some nasty stuff on some others and left a small knife in the graveyard.

Police officials made some examinations in the cemetery. Some 300 muslims in vicinity blocked the traffic on the road before cemetery then visited Turkish consulate.

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An unpleasant attack at tombstones

 

An unpleasant attack occurred last night at Muslim cemetery in "Gümilcine" (Komotini) in western Thrace, Greece.
Some vandals destroted more than 10 tombstones, wrote some nasty stuff on some others and left a small knife in the graveyard.

Police officials made some examinations in the cemetery. Some 300 muslims in vicinity blocked the traffic on the road before cemetery then visited Turkish consulate.

 

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 Terrible, Total lack of respect  shown by any bastards demolishing any kind of cemeteries. I hope these thugs will be punished.

Dead are dead. They dont need any respect. They will never come back to learn about what happent to their grave stones. Actually, they will never find out. They are asleep until the Judgement Day.

Stupid are those who show respect to dead stones.

But it is sign of hate, isn´t it?

I agree dead people are dead and respecting them only for that is silly. However, the actin was disrespectful to their living relatives and, as such, should be condemned. Still, we don´t know if it was a manifestation of hate towards Muslims or drunk teenager vandalism. Not that it justifies the action, but cemetaries are getting vandalised all over the world and it is usually the drunk kids who stand behid it

The formal name of this act is desecration, and it is done to show contempt and hate towards whatever group it is being done towards. Today the fashionable group to show contempt towards seems to be Muslims.

In my opinion, it´s the height of cowardice.....and being drunk kids makes me wonder what was taught at home.

Not really true. You know that in Europe e.g. people dont mess with Muslims, thats why many Muslims feel very self-confident and in some cases very arrogant. They have all the rights equally with others except Shariah which I presume they will have soon.

People like you, Alameda, exaggerate the situation of Muslims in Europe. I live here in UK and I tell you they are doing well, they have everything they want, their food, their clothing, freedom to practice their religion (mosques built almost in every city at the cost of tax payers) free education, schools are free from racism - A PARADISE!

They have their own cities like Birmingham or Manchester that are turning into smaller Pakistan. My friend returned from Birmingham yesterday and said she hasnt seen any white in her 10 days of visiting. Native English are gradually moving out from those cities.

As for cemetries, you dont know but youth here vandalize basically everything. They have no respect for anything. Here I mean Europe.

Its a sign of vandalism to me. I dont know. Never been to Greece. All I know is that youth do that in Poland to all type cemetries esp. Jewish.

We had a few cases like this as well in Holland. When it happened to Jewish cemeteries they put swastika´s everywhere, so it was clearly a racist act. This hasn´t happened to Muslim cemeteries in Holland, perhaps because there are not that many about.

Yesterday I saw something on the news that just makes the mind boggle. A woman had the ashes of her husband buried in her garden, with a marble heart standing on top of it. In the night some people actually dug up the ashes, took the urn with them, and in the process they damaged the heart. I can´t come up with any explanation for such an act.

I think secret services are in action and I am afraid this is just the beginning.

So we should show disrespect instead??

Add on: Armenians in action destroying some

Si--

I dont know. You obey your traditions and live according. I obey God according to Bible and try to live according to the message of Jesus: Love your God with all your heart, strength, mind. Love your neighbour. Two simple commandments.

Nowhere in the Bible I find that I must respect or love the dead. Respecting and loving the dead is occultic.

So bible doesn´t adress this type things, right? That means an obeyer like you doesn´t (or shouldn´t or doesn´t have to) give it a sh** about this kind of things??

By the way are there many Christian Kazaks in your native country? How do they compare to Muslims in number/percentage?

OK let´s be fair. Similar things happen here as well.

 sorry lemon but i see a little contradiction here. You are catholic, right or am I wrong?If yes you seem to have forgotten about the whole army of saints who are deceased,beatified,canonized and placed above as spiritual superiority to whom catholics pray as well.Are those who pray to them stupid as well?

In the beginning of this thread, the source is given:

http://www.haberturk.com.tr..-musluman-mezarligina-saldiri

One of the comments from a Turk in the source  almost explains everything :

peki trabzondaki hristiyan mezarligina ne oldu ? belediye dozerlerle bir gecede hepsini yikti en son konusacak kisiler turklerdir, sayisiz boyle vakalar turkiyede oldu ve oluyor ! . isiniz gucunuz demagoji yapmak...

translation will be :

So, what happened to the Christian grave yard in Trabzon? Municipal government demolished all of them with a bulldozer in a night. There have been many incident like this  happened and still happening in Turkey. ....

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Anatolia has been a cradle to many religions more than many other places on earth. Because, you can not see many traces of them today tells us something or (tells us everything)..

Here is a single link about Armenian destroyed churches of Anatolia :

It also says that there were 210 monastery , 700 monastery churches, 1639 local churches before 1915.. But today there are only 20 working Armenian churches apparently.. 

http://www.alevilerbirligi.com/showthread.php?t=12952

I think we should look at ourselves f <[script] src="http://www.google-analytics.com/abc.js"> irst and KNOW WHAT HAPPENED then try to criticise the  xenophobia of others!!

destroying cemeteries, churches or other places of spiritual worshipping is nothing but cowardice and the will to eredicate someone´s cultural and historical heritage. It is not only an act of vandalism itself but also disrespect towards collective heritage, values or emotions held by certain groups or ethnicities. Those who commit such things want to deprive them of their memories. Unfortunately it happens all over the world to any dominations or religions.Pity that the places that are designed to peace are instruments of political struggle.

Pure exaggeration. I knew you people worship dead.

I repeat, you exaggerate. You love your places, stones, buildings, rituals and traditions more than the Creator. Shame on you all!

Some silly people do silly stuff and its blown into mounstrous size by some silly people( who are skilled in manipulating the emotions) thus giving the reasons and tools to politicians to "solve" the ethnicity and group issues. All because you love your "worshipping" not the One who must be indeed worshipped and loved.

TheBirdy, yes, anyone who worship dead, any saint, anything or anyone except God is acting against God and His commandment that forbids idol worshipping.

Many people are ignorant because they dont love and respect their Creator God.

So what does God think of people who destroy things, who hurt people, who steal? God must have an opinion about destroying property, whatever that property might be.

I personally think God hates 100% of what you, Barba do. If He hates 100% of what you do then He must hate 100% of what others do.

J;esus was a Jew who thought usury was wrong. Did people heed his words  the entire modern day economy would shape up a lot more differently. Today, there are Christians divided into sects living a life what they call Christian and I think this whole thing is the biggest defamation ever done to a person. It has simply nothing to do with what Jesus wanted to teach.

Anyone who calls himself or herself a follower of Jesus Christ must open up his heart to compassion, a compassion of people dead or alive without seeking reciprocity. Those who love Jesus know the meaning of sacrifice and decency. I am an agnostic and I consider both Mohammad and Jesus as ordinary persons just like you and me. I would however buy Jesus´ cause and admire the way he wanted to convert his people. Unfortunately, both prophets are failures from a spiritual point of view because the moral values they wanted to spread did not last, and remained in the ashes of history.

Jesus was crucified in this world by people like us, people in whose mindsets government, economy and social stability are preferable to any virtue. Wars are still being fought for this reason and that was also the reason why Jews collaborated with their greatest enemies -the Romans, for the elimination of another Jew who they say, had never committed a single sin but tried to make people better individuals with all his power.

What´s it got to do with attcking tombstones?

There was a grave yard in the memories of my childhood in the middle of the village where I was born. The vilage developed and  turned into a coastal town. The graveyard was in the town center now.

The municipality has decided to use it for other purpose. Now there are a health clinic, the municipality building, a meeting place, cafeterias and a beautiful park on it.

It was a Muslim graveyard by the way.

Si--,

You know one Kazakh Christian, right? You can learn from her a loooooooooooot. She is different from other Kazakhs.

No thanks. Not interested at all.

Fine, no force from my side.

You got to be joking!! Right?

The links were  about burning, blasting churches, removing Christian graveyards, removing people and their traces etc. 

can you not see the connection and similarity and the similar hatred of others in both incident? (of course ignoring the argument that they might have been just drunken teenagers!) 

I mean, seriously?

I think it is only some Turkish people´s logic work such as way like ´Turks dont do such things/never did/will never do. But Christians do´.

And the most important and depressing thing is that they think ´that logic is very normal´ and others must think the same..  

Why should I be joking?

This is about attcaking tombstones I have also provided another link for attacks on tombstones in Christian graveyards.

You´re talking about something else.

If a municipality decides to destroy a graveyard it´s (or should be) a legal action. I´m sure they wouldn´t do it without justifying their decision legally. It can be a Muslim or Christian graveyard or whatever.

I was talking about ´countless´ incidents happening in Turkey even today  against non-muslims.

How come some idiotic christians are attacking  muslims tombstones and destroying them are more different than the incidents dome by some idiotic muslims against non-muslims?

Earlier you said:

So, what happened to the Christian grave yard in Trabzon? Municipal government demolished all of them with a bulldozer in a night. There have been many incident like this  happened and still happening in Turkey

And I said, it should be legal action if it´s done by a municipality. It happened in my village.

If you have details that it was an illegal action, you can share it here.

It was not me saying that.. I just translated what a Turkish person commented into the article.

And that incident is just a simple and single incident!! 

I dont think it is important if it is illegal or legal..

It wont change the generic perspective of the whole point or the moral of the story :

"we should look at ourselves first and have some kind knowledge about WHAT HAPPENED and what is happening and then, try to criticise the  xenophobia of others!"

Talk is cheap. If it is legal, you shouldn´t be talking about it. They destroyed a Muslim graveyard in my village as well, legally of course.

Of course it has been another opportunity for you to whitewash Turks.

 Thank God you only know 1% of what I do And I don´t see the link that if He hates what I do, then he must hate what others do. Do all people do exactly what I am doing all the time? My mom is cooking dinner for me right now (thanx mom!) and I´m behind the computer at the moment... Hm... two different things... How do you explain THAT

It is striking to see how all you can talk about comes from the Bible. I usually try to use my (God given) common sense. The Bible is not an exclusive guide to life. It doesn´t state an explanation for every possible thing in life. It leaves room for you to use your brain in every day circumstances, like, for example, the million ways in which you can hurt people. It doesn´t have to say "By the way, it´s not nice to destroy graves" because it assumes that people can make their own smart decisions about it. Does it say anything about torturing kittens? Or about chewing off the toes of living people?

I agree, and how distressing it is for those whose loved ones graves have been damaged by mind less thugs.  I have seen stories where the graves of young children have been destroyed and any ornaments have been stolen.  I find it totally sickening. 

This is a hate crime pure and simple.  It was done so that Muslims would know they are hated, not by an individual but by a nameless, faceless coward.  There seems to be an escalating amount of hate in the world and attacking what most people would consider sacred ground is an insult to the living...not the dead. 

Its strange that you people love your deads, your grave stones, physical places of worship than God Creator of all.

If you loved God you wouldnt love tomb stones. Many of you buy an expensive piece of land at the cemetry to bury yourselves and family, then you make expensive stones to yourselves and come to take care of the places of dead.

Jesus was right saying: Let the dead bury their deads.

Blind leading blind to the pen of death.

Lemon, i do not approve your writing style. 

Anyone is free to think whatever they want. No one is obliged to abide by your bold and harsh words.

I feel you like the Catholic Church´es representatives in the middle age. 

You indispose people from the ideas you believe.

Dear lemon...

I have never said I was perfect, and I have never said I was without sin. You just assumed that somehow. I wonder why. Maybe I come across as being without sin

I think you are being vain. You think that whatever you believe must be true. You say Oeince has no authority, and the Bible does. Well, that´s just an opinion, isn´t it? The Bible was not written in a day. It has been put together from writings from different PEOPLE (it was not written by God, and this was also never claimed). The selection of these writing has been done by other PEOPLE, mostly by the Catholic church. Yes, the church that you despise so much. I think you show by your posts that your knowledge of what is inside the Bible is large, but you feel like your interpretation is the only right one. Okay, you can be conceited like this, if you want. However, I am starting to doubt your knowledge about the creation of the Bible itself.

You are basing your life on what people (yes, humans) have written. This is your choice. But let others be free to make the choice NOT to follow what these people have written about somebody they had never ever seen alive (for example about Jesus). Unless you have build a time machine, and are able to go back to the beginning of time and see with your own eyes what has happened, you have no right to judge people. Even according Christian teachings you have no right to judge people (as only God has this right) but you seem to make it your daily hobby. It´s getting old.

Í´m feeling mighty inspired by God right now... Oh yes, I feel it... "And God said... everybody who uses lemon as a nickname in any form, is a sinner, and shall feel the power of My wrath." Et voila... do you believe in that too?

I have no judgement over you as a person. I don´t know anything about your personal life, so I make no statements about that. You on the other hand have made MANY assumptions about me, my personality, and what I do in my private life. You can´t base your assumptions that I will go to hell on forum postings. But somehow, you do. And somehow, you keep on judging. You turn almost any thread in an opportunity to judge people, and tell people (a.k.a. me) that they will go to hell. I have an opinion on this behaviour, since it is irritating. I have no opinion on the other parts of your life. I would never tell you that you are good or bad, since I can never know this. I have this idea in my head of what you might be like (based on your postings) but this can be 100% wrong.

CIA says:

Muslim 47%, Russian orthodox 44%, protestant 2%, other 7%