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1.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 07:49 am

Do you think science can answer all our questions? And if it can´t, are those questions meaningless? Do you think science approve any religion? Is there a mystery science will not ever solve?

 

As most of you know i trust science. But i have some questions unanswered. According to law of conservation of energy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.As you know whole universe exists of many forms of energy. My mind can´t imagine a situation energy existed always without a starting point. I think that there must be a starting point of everything. But i think our brain has its limits. As Kant says our brain functions depending on space and time concepts. And we think everything has a starting point. We can´t imagine anything that doesn´t have any starting point. But according to law of conservation of energy, energy always existed. It doesn´t have a starting point. It is not created. How can we solve this dilemma?

 

Same situation is valid for the God? Is there a God? If you think there is, did he created himself or he existed always? What are your arguments?



Edited (8/17/2010) by gokuyum

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2.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 09:41 am

I will look into this a bit later. {#emotions_dlg.computer}

3.       si++
3785 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 09:45 am

 

Quoting lemon

I will look into this a bit later. {#emotions_dlg.computer}

 

It´s very kind of you! We´re awaiting. The sooner the better! Please! ı

 

4.       Daydreamer
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 17 Aug 2010 Tue 10:36 am

I believe science has the potential of being capable of answering all questions.  The fact that not all questions can be answered yet, is because science is not developed enough. We are not yet capable of knowing everything, physics, geology, biology etc are all constantly progressing, new theories come about and maybe one of them will answer gokuyum´s question

 

Where´s God in science? Nowhere. The idea of God was created to give people sense of security. the feeling of being a small creature in a big, scary world must have been frightening. As folks were unable to learn the processes behind natural phenomena, they came up witht he idea that there are Gods behind them. This way they could rationalise the universe. Then somebody else came up with the idea that too many Gods means confusion so they decided there was one God but omnipotent.

 

As science developed, it brought a threat to religion. The more we know about physics or genetics, the less likely we are to bow down our head and believe that thunders and lightings are God´s means of communication.

 

Of course, some people will still swear by being created by God, ignoring issues like clonning, artificial insemination, appearance of new species of animals etc. I suppose it´s easier to hold on to the thought of somebody driving this mad bus called the world than admitting we´re here on our own

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5.       barba_mama
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 17 Aug 2010 Tue 11:42 am

The point of science is to ask questions. If all questions could be answered, science would not exist anymore. So no, science can not answer all question, because new questions will always emerge.

 

Science and God...an interesting relationship. I think science has not ruled out the existence of a higher being. It has ruled out the higher being in the form that religious books describe it. Just like we know now that thunder doesn´t come from Thor.

 

I also think that our minds are just too tiny to understand everything in the universe. The (know thought of as a) fact that time can be bend already makes my ears smoke

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6.       libralady
5152 posts
 20 Aug 2010 Fri 11:49 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Do you think science can answer all our questions? And if it can´t, are those questions meaningless? Do you think science approve any religion? Is there a mystery science will not ever solve?

 

As most of you know i trust science. But i have some questions unanswered. According to law of conservation of energy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.As you know whole universe exists of many forms of energy. My mind can´t imagine a situation energy existed always without a starting point. I think that there must be a starting point of everything. But i think our brain has its limits. As Kant says our brain functions depending on space and time concepts. And we think everything has a starting point. We can´t imagine anything that doesn´t have any starting point. But according to law of conservation of energy, energy always existed. It doesn´t have a starting point. It is not created. How can we solve this dilemma?

 

Same situation is valid for the God? Is there a God? If you think there is, did he created himself or he existed always? What are your arguments?

 

 Yep, that is the 1st law of Thermodynamics.  I think you mean it can only change from one form to another, for instance, energy is contained fossil fuels (embodied energy), take coal and when it is burned in a fire the energy is released as heat and carbon is released into the atmosphere.

 

I can´t answer the question of a starting point for energy, I guess the scientists who discovered thermodynamic would have the answer.

 

I don´t believe in God, and have not done so since I was a child when no one could tell me how a God could let children die (children of my age) when they were at school in the Aberfan Disaster in 1966 - over 100 children died in the school when a coal waste slid onto the school and suffocated those children.  And then the question, well if there is a God how come no one has seen him?  No one could answer that either.  I have plenty of reason why I don´t believe in God.  I believe in evolution, and scientific reasoning.  In my view science can prove most things and as far as I am aware it has not proven there is a God.  Without science we would not be where we are today.



Edited (8/20/2010) by libralady

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7.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 11:45 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yep, that is the 1st law of Thermodynamics.  I think you mean it can only change from one form to another, for instance, energy is contained fossil fuels (embodied energy), take coal and when it is burned in a fire the energy is released as heat and carbon is released into the atmosphere.

 

I can´t answer the question of a starting point for energy, I guess the scientists who discovered thermodynamic would have the answer.

 

I don´t believe in God, and have not done so since I was a child when no one could tell me how a God could let children die (children of my age) when they were at school in the Aberfan Disaster in 1966 - over 100 children died in the school when a coal waste slid onto the school and suffocated those children.  And then the question, well if there is a God how come no one has seen him?  No one could answer that either.  I have plenty of reason why I don´t believe in God.  I believe in evolution, and scientific reasoning.  In my view science can prove most things and as far as I am aware it has not proven there is a God.  Without science we would not be where we are today.

 

 Two days ago i started to believe God. I was a very keen agnostic but two days ago i read a book and it convinced me. I am a book worm. I read 200 books about philosophy and theology. Any of them couldn´t convince me. But after i read that book i started to believe god.

But i have a different god concept. I believe god created the energy that forms us. This energy has many forms. Our soul is a very thinner form of this energy. And our soul also has capacity to form energy. So that means god created us like him. But i don´t believe anybody talked with god and got revelations from him directly. There are higher creatures than us in universe and they were the ones that sent the holy books. There is only one purpose of human. It is to evolve, to have higher understanding of himself and universe.The purpose of holy books was to make us evolve. Holy books completed their missions.All the books have heavy symbolisms. If you read them without understanding these symbols they will seem to you as children stories. You should try to understand the deeper meanings of them. For example what does hell and heaven symbols mean? The ignorance or wrong concepts of a person about himself and  universe is a situation we call hell. The opposite of this is a situation we call heaven. There are many symbols like these. There are no heaven or hell as real places. These are the situations of mind and soul.

Man has to evolve and gain higher understanding. But a life time is so short for a complete evolving. So we have to get through  many different lives. Each life is a step. But there is no end to evolving. There is no limit to it. Only god is perfect. And all other creatures are deficient and has to evolve.

Some of my explanations can seem you absurd. But these ideas convinced me. You can´t blame god for anything. He is not responsible of children´s death. He is the creator that gave us opportunity to evolve. He created us like himself with similar capacities. He is absolutely good.

This kind of perspective to god and universe seemed to me very reasonable and humanist.



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8.       si++
3785 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 04:48 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Two days ago i started to believe God. I was a very keen agnostic but two days ago i read a book and it convinced me. I am a book worm. I read 200 books about philosophy and theology. Any of them couldn´t convince me. But after i read that book i started to believe god.

 

What do you mean by ´keen agnostic´?

 

 Here are some definition for debate:


"theist"        - a person who believes God (or gods) exists.
"nontheist"  - would be a person who lacks the belief "God (or gods) exists"
"atheist"      - a person who believes God (or gods) do NOT exist
"agnostic"  -  a person who doesn´t know.  i.e.  doesn´t believe God exists and doesn´t believe God does not exist.

I recommend the following text by Theodore Drange:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/definition.html

 

9.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 06:30 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

What do you mean by ´keen agnostic´?

 

 Here are some definition for debate:


"theist"        - a person who believes God (or gods) exists.
"nontheist"  - would be a person who lacks the belief "God (or gods) exists"
"atheist"      - a person who believes God (or gods) do NOT exist
"agnostic"  -  a person who doesn´t know.  i.e.  doesn´t believe God exists and doesn´t believe God does not exist.

I recommend the following text by Theodore Drange:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/definition.html

 

 

 I was an agnostic. Because i am a very skeptic person.

10.       Doriss
16 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 09:38 pm

Really??  I´m a bit skeptic about you reading 200 books about philosophy and theology....that´s a lot of time invested in making a decision about what you believe or “feel.”

Two words of advice if I may…Ipod and Audiobooks.

It’ll let you walk around and socialize whilst you ponder the meaning of life.

 

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