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France begins clearing Gypsy encampments
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1.       janissaridis
148 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 11:40 am

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/08/07/France-begins-clearing-Gypsy-encampments/UPI-70141281220480/

modern and civilized EU has started nationalist attack on gypsies...

 

djxxx

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 12:18 pm

 

Quoting janissaridis

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/08/07/France-begins-clearing-Gypsy-encampments/UPI-70141281220480/

modern and civilized EU has started nationalist attack on gypsies...

 

djxxx

 

I agree with you on this..

Possibly Sarkozy is trying win bunch of right wing/nationalists/xenophobic votes. Of course, the easiest way of doing it is to play race card and gypsies are the perfect group to stigmatize..

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3.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 12:18 pm

Their presence wasn´t against the law. They have the right to move freely in the EU, since they are from an EU country. France declared them illegal to get rid of them, since the crime-rates did go up wherever they went. However, this declaring legal is a French thing, and not backed up by EU laws.

4.       janissaridis
148 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 12:20 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I´m not surprised they did, their presence there is against the law and what they do is raise the level of crime - theft, begging and ordeals are their signature acts. About time something was done, France cannot allow its citizens to be terrorised by scum.

 

 every country has that kind of ppl...Turkey has also its own ppl who help terrorists  and break the rules..so that all countries and Turkey has right to send out of country????

DJxxx

5.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 12:30 pm

I´m not sure about French laws, but I suppose they´re similar to Irish ones that grant freedom of migration for EU citizens provided that the immigrants are able to provide for themselves (without breaking the law), which clearly is not the case with Gypsies. Also, Italy introduced stricter laws to check Gypsie´s identity as many use forged Bulgarian or Romanian passports.

Janis - aren´t the terrorists you talk about Turkish citizens? In that case you don´t have anywhere to send them back to, do you?

I don´t understand why people are so quick to defend criminals - jail them or send them back to where they came from

 

here´s info about moving to Ireland

 

Information

If you are a national of the European Union (EU), of one of the other EEA member states (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway) or of Switzerland, you have the right to stay in Ireland, and your family members have the right to stay here also. There are some limits to this right, however.

You can stay in Ireland for up to 3 months without restriction. If you plan to stay more than 3 months, you must either:

  • Be engaged in economic activity (employed or self employed) or
  • Have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that you do not become a burden on the social services of Ireland or
  • Be enrolled as a student or vocational trainee or
  • Be a family member of a Union citizen in one of the previous categories.

 

And here´s what I found about France:

The legal basis for freedom of movement in the European Community is, for salaried workers, Article 39 and after of the EC Treaty, and for the self-employed Article 43 and after relating to freedom of movement, and also Article 50 and after for freedom to provide services.

So Gypsies coming there and not even looking for work are hardly eligible to stay there, are they?

 

 



Edited (8/21/2010) by Daydreamer [added info about immigration]
Edited (8/21/2010) by Daydreamer

6.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 10:32 pm

What Italy wanted to do is a disgrace... They wanted to have blood tests and special "gypsy" passports... come on... Did I go to bed, and wake up about 60-65 years ago?

7.       zeytinne
596 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 10:34 pm

They took the money and will go back to France anyway {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

8.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 22 Aug 2010 Sun 12:00 am

Well, BM, I think Gypsies sort of ask for trouble. It´s hard to treat them as normal citizens since they respect their Gypsy law more than the country´s they´re in. They have a repulsive marital policy and often break basic laws of host countries like compulsory education. Since they have such a bad attitude to the country whose passport they carry, why should they be given the same rights? Can you imagine what would happen if you didn´t send your child to school or if you forced your 12 year old daughter to marry? You´d most probably be fined or sentenced. With them it;s a different story - nobody is willing to testify so everybody pretends nothing happened. Gypsies should be delegalised! Or forced to obey the law.

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Aug 2010 Sun 01:44 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

What Italy wanted to do is a disgrace... They wanted to have blood tests and special "gypsy" passports... come on... Did I go to bed, and wake up about 60-65 years ago?

 

I never heard of that..

But a huge ´Oha´ yani!!

When you think of that  straightforward anti-black racism is no longer the main form of bigotry in western countires.. Not anymore!!.


People in the west are quite and openly hostile towards Romany gypsies and  asylum seekers.

Racism against gypsies is a norm of ´respected´ racism unfortunately.. Anti-gypsy racism is very deeply rooted. Rooted historically.. In ´gypsy hating rethorics´ there is "a systematic prejudice and discrimination against a distinct group of people". So that is racism!!..Gypsies have been unassimilated for centuries, That is partly  because of the prejudice they have been facing..

Such a shame..No country wants them; people dont want to see them..

10.       oeince
582 posts
 22 Aug 2010 Sun 03:10 am

There is a realistic exchange between politicians and voters. Politicians -especially the ones like Sarkozy, who losed his support significantly- do not hesitate to perform inethical policies if the expectations of the society is inethical. 

Thats why, as long as xenofobia takes place in a considerable amount of the EU citizens subconscious, we will go on to witness that kind of events more. 

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