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I am slave....
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:04 am |
Illegal immigrants are another issue, I do not agree DD, i think it is the same issue, at least it was the same in the film I wanted to draw ppl´s attention. I´ve seen some frightening documentaries about people being brought into US on ships, some of them dying on the way. The same about Italy, Spain and other European countries-why should we concentrate on the US? And then they´re forced to work for free. Pretty often as domestic slaves.It is repulsive.Agree!!!
but there is another side of a stick here, what about legal-I mean coming from EU countries housewives working without a day off? coping with whims of their Padrone di Casa? or what ever language we can use, suffering humiliation just in the name of better salary...Isn´t it repulsive as well?
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:16 am |
Quoting Thebirdy
Illegal immigrants are another issue, I do not agree DD, i think it is the same issue, at least it was the same in the film I wanted to draw ppl´s attention.
Another as in next, not as in different
I´ve seen some frightening documentaries about people being brought into US on ships, some of them dying on the way. The same about Italy, Spain and other European countries-why should we concentrate on the US?
I commented on the documentaries I´ve seen and they were about US. I didn´t say it doesn´t happen in Europe, Africa or Asia.
And then they´re forced to work for free. Pretty often as domestic slaves.
I somehow have a feeling that domestic slaves are just a marginal phenomenon, compared to sex slaves and free labour force for companies...I´ve nothing to prove it with though so I´ll gladly see evidence to the contrary
It is repulsive.Agree!!!
but there is another side of a stick here, what about legal-I mean coming from EU countries housewives working without a day off? coping with whims of their Padrone di Casa? or what ever language we can use, suffering humiliation just in the name of better salary...Isn´t it repulsive as well?
The difference here is choice You can´t compare somebody who has been abducted, had their passport taken and being forced to work for free with somebody who agrees to such conditions. It´s nonsense that people have to endure degrading conditions to make a living - it´s their choice. If you´re willing to work in EU for 5e/day and suffer abuse, then there´s something wrong with you.
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:21 am |
DD pretty often ppl do not know what they may encounter on the spot.Yes, right it is their choice to go forehead and try, but wouldn´t you agree it is like a lottery?you can either hit the jackpot or just lose?
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:31 am |
Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever - girls working as housekeepers in chain hotels for wages lower than the legal ones, doing 4 rooms an hour or getting fired...I´ve met guys from the construction industry who managed to get illegal jobs during the boom (it was really hard to work illegally back then as they hired anyone), thus have no entitlements to jobseeker´s benefits and now offer to work at ridiculous rates...
Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:41 am |
and work exploitation in case of legal migrants ?which i experienced in EU ..but anyway escaped from the place in which was not given a contract and overloaded with excessive hours
Edited (9/2/2010) by Thebirdy
[birdy became nette exhibitionist..]
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 04:40 am |
Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever ..............Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!
You know, it´s called "White Privledge".......it´s seen in the US with White people having social advantages in comparison to people of color...although it could be in any country and any color. The weaithy Nigerian´s family.....and on and on...and luck has a lot to do with it. You were lucky enough to be the "right" color, lucky enough to have come from a home were you learned to value yourself.
You were lucky enough to not be desperate to anything to help your family survive. People who find themselves enslaved are the victims.....it´s wrong to blame them. I know in Latin America many have lost their farms and livlihoods with the introduction of Factory Farms among other things. Their native corn has even been contaminated with GMO corn. GMO corn that has been patented.....
The real blame has to be placed on human greed, lack of empathy for the suffering of others.
Edited (9/2/2010) by alameda
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 11:04 am |
Alameda, I might be what you call "the right colour" (how racist is that?) but you´d have to know more about my country´s history to consider my legacy advantageous. You have no idea what Polish people had to go through in order to escape their communist country, you´ve no idea how they were treated in Germany or Italy...Do you know how many Polish women married obnoxious Germans or Brits just to buy themselves and their children a better future? I don´t think you do! Do you know what conditions Polish immigrants in the US had to endure? You probably don´t because you´re an American citizen sure of her rights and entitlements and your hobby is looking for injustice towards non-white people and ignore injustice to white folks. That´s not really fair, is it? I´m sick and tired of hearing how easy things are for me just because I´m white. Wake up girl! Being white means nothing as long as you have the wrong passport.
Even now, when we´re in the EU, Poles are being discriminated against in the UK and Ireland. Read statistics about how many Poles have been assaulted only because they´re Polish. Or how easily they´re to blame in courts - circumstantial evidence is enough to grant a young Pole double lifetime sentence for alleged rape, while Brits who beat a Pole to death (and it´s captured on CCTV) get 10 years. That´s really fair!
And the racism card is played way too often. A friend of mine is a supervisor in a shop. You know whom she cannot tell to stop fooling around and get to work? Nigerians. Why? because she immediately gets reported for racism. That´s fair in your opinion, isn´t it?
You can write a book on racism. I´m not saying people are still not being judged basing on their colour. Sure they are. But not all of them. Some are being discriminated because of their nationality, religion, disability or gender. And some abuse the discrimination card. That´s life...
So, stop moaning about how easy it is for white people because the colour of your skin is nt enough to grant you an easy life!
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 02:32 pm |
I don´t agree that people are to blame themselves for what we call slavery. Take the following case. A woman thought she was marrying a good man, as what custom in her culture (arranged wedding). Before she knew it she was a house-slave.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166117/Mother-law-kept-sons-wives-locked-like-slaves-dogs-13-years.html
The other cases that we mention here, are not slavery. If you get low crappy pay but you have the choice to leave, you are not a slave. You are being abused, perhaps. Your working conditions are unfair. But there is a difference with slavery. The slavery part comes where you have no option to leave. Slavery is forced, not by circumstances, but by the "slave owner". Like in the sex industry, when they take the passport away from the young girls that they get their with telling lies.
And yes, being white doesn´t make your life great. My grandfather was a slave for a few horrible years, and he was Whitey McWhite, like me
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 04:24 pm |
The other cases that we mention here, are not slavery. If you get low crappy pay but you have the choice to leave, you are not a slave. You are being abused, perhaps. Your working conditions are unfair. But there is a difference with slavery. The slavery part comes where you have no option to leave. Slavery is forced, not by circumstances, but by the "slave owner". Like in the sex industry, when they take the passport away from the young girls that they get their with telling lies.
That´s exactly what I was trying to say! Exploitation and slavery are two different things! Choice and ability to quit being the key words here
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02 Sep 2010 Thu 07:42 pm |
Daydreamer....chill out and read my post again.....
I said...
<, it´s called "White Privledge".......it´s seen in the US with White people having social advantages in comparison to people of color...although it could be in any country and any color. The weaithy Nigerian´s family.....and on and on...and luck has a lot to do with it. You were lucky enough to be the "right" color, lucky enough to have come from a home were you learned to value yourself.> .............or in other words...LUCKY!!!!...
Rather, I think calling the ones who were enslaved
<<Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever ..............Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!>>
Shows an amazing lack of understanding of the situation these poor people are in. I wrote "right color" in quotations....meaning it could be any set of circumstances popular at the time. For sure those who have become enslaved are not stupid...they are desparate, in need of compassion and HELP!
....................and yes, I do actually have a pretty good idea of problems Poles have had through history.......nobody gets a free ride in this life, but some are more fortunate that others.
Alameda, I might be what you call "the right colour" (how racist is that?) but you´d have to know more about my country´s history to consider my legacy advantageous. You have no idea what Polish people had to go through in order to escape their communist country, you´ve no idea how they were treated in Germany or Italy...Do you know how many Polish women married obnoxious Germans or Brits just to buy themselves and their children a better future? I don´t think you do! Do you know what conditions Polish immigrants in the US had to endure? You probably don´t because you´re an American citizen sure of her rights and entitlements and your hobby is looking for injustice towards non-white people and ignore injustice to white folks. That´s not really fair, is it? I´m sick and tired of hearing how easy things are for me just because I´m white. Wake up girl! Being white means nothing as long as you have the wrong passport.
Even now, when we´re in the EU, Poles are being discriminated against in the UK and Ireland. Read statistics about how many Poles have been assaulted only because they´re Polish. Or how easily they´re to blame in courts - circumstantial evidence is enough to grant a young Pole double lifetime sentence for alleged rape, while Brits who beat a Pole to death (and it´s captured on CCTV) get 10 years. That´s really fair!
And the racism card is played way too often. A friend of mine is a supervisor in a shop. You know whom she cannot tell to stop fooling around and get to work? Nigerians. Why? because she immediately gets reported for racism. That´s fair in your opinion, isn´t it?
You can write a book on racism. I´m not saying people are still not being judged basing on their colour. Sure they are. But not all of them. Some are being discriminated because of their nationality, religion, disability or gender. And some abuse the discrimination card. That´s life...
So, stop moaning about how easy it is for white people because the colour of your skin is nt enough to grant you an easy life!
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14 Sep 2010 Tue 04:54 pm |
I wouldnt reccommend quoting The Daily Mail - an English, Conservative, right wing scandalmongering tabloid
that is vastly overrated in Britain because it used to be a broadsheet & its readers think its a cut above the other tabloids which it isnt
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