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Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Sep 2010 Mon 12:55 pm

All news papers are talking about the applications to the prosecuters about taking 12th of September 1980 coup generals to the court after the referendum results. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11279881 

It is a great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir.. Everywhere.. 

Turkish people have broken the chains of 12th of September.. 

This is a double festival!! 

The best ever festival for last 30 years..

 

http://www.samanyoluhaber.com/h_451304_darbeciler-hakkinda-suc-duyurusu.html

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx?aType=RadikalDetay&ArticleID=1018714&Date=13.09.2010&CategoryID=77

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=1027030&title=darbecilere-yargi-yolu-acildi

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/15768672.asp?gid=373

....

One of his famous sayings was  ´dont hang them? do you expect us to feed them instead´ when he was trying to justify the hangings.. 

 

2.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 13 Sep 2010 Mon 01:22 pm

I wish all my best for Türkiye and turkish peoples..they deserve the best

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Sep 2010 Mon 11:28 pm

 

Quoting elenagabriela

I wish all my best for Türkiye and turkish peoples..they deserve the best

 

Thanks Elena..{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

People of Turkey have suffered alot because of this constitution!! Though every human being  deserves the best, I thank you for your words: Yes we have gone through alot with those army generals at the time. It  would be wonderful to take them into the court for their crimes against Turkish people and their crimes against humanity..

Now, we want more.. This was the ammendments for ´being able to make a  new constitution´. We want a new one, a new constitution which will crown our republic...

4.       zeytinne
596 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 12:58 am

 

Quoting elenagabriela

I wish all my best for Türkiye and turkish peoples..they deserve the best

 

 İf as you say " they deserve the best" doesnt mean they will have the best.

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 01:21 am

"Among the 26 articles comprising the package, changes are proposed in the way senior judges are selected.

Opposition parties, including the CHP secularists, argue that these will enable the government to exert more influence over the judiciary."

 

Do you think this really is a victory to democracy?

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6.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 02:00 am

 

YES = %57,94

NO = %42,06

 

These rates mean half of the community approves the package and the other half doesn´t. Constitutional changes are required social consensus, because no matter if approve or not, all of the citizens are going to be governed by SAME package. Can you see any consensus here? So how can we talk about the victory of democracy?

The same thing would be valid if YES was %42 and NO was %57. Ruling-parties must find a common way, they can´t serve a package and pull themselves back, saying "this is this, like or not". Unfortunately, both ruling-party and the opposition parties turned it into election and it looked like a vote of confidence for AKP.

Türkiye is a heterogeneous community; secularists, conservatives and other kind of views live together and they have to deal with all of them. It doesn´t mean that this package is democtratic since it is prepared by a conversative ruling-party and voted by a relatively conversative community.

 

thanks.

 

 



Edited (9/14/2010) by turkishcobra
Edited (9/14/2010) by turkishcobra

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7.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 03:22 am

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

YES = %57,94

NO = %42,06

 

And below is the map greens are "yes", and reds are "no"

8.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 08:50 am

{#emotions_dlg.flowers}



Edited (9/14/2010) by elenagabriela

9.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 08:51 am

 

Quoting zeytinne

 

 

 İf as you say " they deserve the best" doesnt mean they will have the best.

 

 what remains in Pandora`s box - the hope; we all have to hope for a new life; dont forget about the ex - communist countries....

10.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 10:05 am

 

Quoting catwoman

"Among the 26 articles comprising the package, changes are proposed in the way senior judges are selected.

Opposition parties, including the CHP secularists, argue that these will enable the government to exert more influence over the judiciary."

 

Do you think this really is a victory to democracy? No, I don´t

 

Court official in post-referendum warning

Instead of forward, referendum was a backlash for Turkey, a senior court official argues.

Court official in post-referendum warning

A senior court official has warned that the independence of the courts could be brought into question after Turks approved changes to the constitution.

Kadir Özbek, who heads the Judges and Prosecutors Higher Board, or HSYK said Monday Turkey is at point that is “more backward than yesterday.”

About 58 percent voted in favor of government-proposed amendments to the constitution crafted after a 1980 military coup, which includes provisions to make the military more accountable to civilian courts.

Some 42 percent voted against on Sunday, fearing the changes would give the ruling Islamic-oriented party powers to appoint judges and prosecutors close to the party, and allow it to advance a pro-Islamic agenda.

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