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1.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 08:43 pm

The BDP voters are not so happy in Turkey, and Iraqi Turkmens are not so happy in Northern Iraq. These two groups amounts are almost the same. So why not to exchange the populations? I think that would be a win - win situation.

What do you think?

2.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 09:40 pm

Ooops



Edited (9/19/2010) by TheAenigma

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 09:50 pm

 

Quoting oeince

The BDP voters are not so happy in Turkey, and Iraqi Turkmens are not so happy in Northern Iraq. These two groups amounts are almost the same. So why not to exchange the populations? I think that would be a win - win situation.

What do you think?

 

Brilliant idea!!!{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

Though there will be some technical difficulties like ´numbers are huge, BDP is the only  party which we can talk for a solution, what if they dont want to leave -in the end, that is their land-  etc´, this may solve the problem. Or more brilliant idea would be  a relocation of Kurds. Like we did in 1915 to Armenians.  That will definitely finish this problem..   {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

4.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:04 pm

 

That system worked out with Greece after the WW1. In order both goverments implemented the policy seriously, almost no ethnical problems occured in Western Therace or in Western Turkey.

Both sides peoples´ whole rights can be saved if both goverments implement the exchange well. Higher expropriotion pays may be offered such as. So the exchangers would earn a higher level of wealth.

The policy may be implemented step by step. Northern Iraq and Turkey can lead trade and cultural programmes etc. So we all live in peace.

Do you agree?

5.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:13 pm

Check this out, we achieved a significant success with Greece for the exchange of huge populations 85 years ago. Population exchange may end the bleeding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

 

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:24 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Check this out, we achieved a significant success with Greece for the exchange of huge populations 85 years ago. Population exchange may end the bleeding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

 

 

The population exchange was not a great idea. It was quite horrible actually..

People were forced to leave where they were living..

Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..

I think all in all, Turkish people should forget ideas such as ´We force you out of Turkey/Go to Northern Iraq etc´.

We have not been able to clear what happened in 1915 after 95 years. We dont want more shame..

7.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:32 pm

It has no relationship with relocation. Please don´t change the subject.

If Turkey and Northern Iraq Kurdish Goverment implements that policy well, the leader of BDP, the leaders of Northern Iraq, Iraq and Turkey may take the Nobel Peace Award together.

Any more peaceful solutions to end the bleeding?

8.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:53 pm

Quote: thehandsom 

Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..

 

Why not? Population exchange prevented possible ethnic problems. Ten thousands of people didn´t die afterwards. Both sides peoples are happy in their homes now.

If we could do that 85 years ago with limited opportunities, why not we can´t now? Boths goverments are wealthy enough to offer higher quality of life and wealth to the exchangers.

Please don´t react against with prejudices. We have to end that bleeding and build peace. That policy contrubutes peace both in Iraq and in Turkey.

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 11:22 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Quote: thehandsom 

Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..

 

Why not? Population exchange prevented possible ethnic problems. Ten thousands of people didn´t die afterwards. Both sides peoples are happy in their homes now.

If we could do that 85 years ago with limited opportunities, why not we can´t now? Boths goverments are wealthy enough to offer higher quality of life and wealth to the exchangers.

Please don´t react against with prejudices. We have to end that bleeding and build peace. That policy contrubutes peace both in Iraq and in Turkey.

 

Population exchange in 1920s was terrible and screwed up people´s lives..

Forcing people out the the places where they are living was not humane, is not humane, it will never be humane.. It might have looked like a normal thing to do in 1920s, considering all muslim migrants from balkans and other places during that period of time..

But we are in 2010.. It would be considered as ´crime against humanity´.

 

10.       oeince
582 posts
 19 Sep 2010 Sun 11:30 pm

Yeah, we are in 2010. Social sustainability, complex solutions for peace building and bilateral or international cooperation in the solution of problems is the trend of this era.

If this policy is implemented with encouragment, it may bring sustainable peace and social confort for the whole region.

I am hopeful...

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