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Crypto-Christian Armenian Turks not hiding anymore
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1.       si++
3785 posts
 21 Sep 2010 Tue 11:14 am

Crypto-Christian Armenian Turks do not feel obliged to hide anymore.

Artık kimliklerine Hıristiyan yazdırıyorlar

For years, they were known as muslim Kurds by their neighbours. Few knew they were Armenians actually and those who did were simply inoring their christianty.
They were muslims by formal identity and christian by heart. They never married others (muslims). For about 1 year, they are returning to their real identities and not hiding who they are really.

Quoted from: here

 

The following quote is from this wikipedia page

Crypto-Christian Armenian Turks

However many say that the actual number of people of Armenian ethnic origin currently living in Turkey is higher than the official numbers given (40,000-70,00, which comprise Armenians as per the definition of a Christian minority (ekalliyet).

During the Armenian Relocation many Armenian orphans were adopted by local Muslim families, who sometimes changed their names and converted them to Islam. One source cites 300,000[5] but another analysis considers this an overestimate, leaning towards 63,000, the figure cited in the Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople´s 1921 report to the United States Department of State.[11]

When relief workers and surviving Armenians started to search for and claim back these Armenian orphans after World War I, only a small percentage were found and reunited, while many others continued to live as Muslims. Additionally, some Armenian families had converted to Islam in order to escape the genocide.

Because of this, there are an unknown number of people of Armenian origin in Turkey today who are not aware of their ancestry as well as around 300,000 "secret" Armenians, called Crypto-Christians.[12] The figure [of 300,000] may have been accurate in 1915, but several generations have passed since then, so figures must be much higher, particularly for mixed heritage. The figure of just how many individuals of some Armenian descent existing in Turkey is hotly disputed, because of the natural progression of populations. But most conservative estimates would put them passed the one-million mark by the late 20th century.

Others dispute the high number of "secret Armenians" of Armenian ethnicity as this may have changed through Turkification by time and through marriage with general Turkish and Kurdish populations and borders of Armenianness may be blurred and many may actually feel more Turkish than Armenian by now.

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2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Sep 2010 Tue 11:51 am

This is a good news and a great criteria that Turkey is becoming more tolerant and there is more freedom..

I am proud of this.. I really am.

Thanks for the article..

Quoting si++

Crypto-Christian Armenian Turks do not feel obliged to hide anymore.

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3.       sazji
47 posts
 11 Oct 2010 Mon 11:26 am

There are also a lot of them who have converted and raised their children in Islam, and this has divided families. I know several such people, but don´t know any who returned and re-embraced Christianity, or were practicing it in secret. Well...I don´t know any, that I know of; who knows who may surprise me!

4.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2010 Mon 02:18 pm

When Prof. Halaçoğlu said the same thing, he was crucified and accused of being racist. He resigned from Türk Tarih Kurumu because of reactions. He said at least 500 thousand crypto Armenian living in Anatolia presented themselves as Kurds or Kurdish Alevites.  It is also one the proof that shows up the lies of Armenian Diaspora.



Edited (10/11/2010) by armegon

5.       si++
3785 posts
 20 Nov 2010 Sat 09:24 am

Union of Dersim Armenians to preserve Armenian language and cultural values

 

November 19, 2010 | 14:54

A total of 600 families, members of which were born in Dersim (Tunceli province of Turkey), joined the newly formed Union of Dersim Armenians.

An 8-year-old Union was officially registered in the first half of November, Sabah daily reported. Union’s goal is to preserve the Armenian language, restore spiritual and cultural values. First the organization will be engaged in teaching Armenian and restoration of Armenian graves and churches in Tunceli province.

Eight months ago organization’s founder Selahattin Gultekin appealed to court to change his name and religious identity. Gultekin changed his name to Mihran Prkich. “I do not want Dersim Armenians to have Turkish or Kurdish names. We should live not hiding ourselves,” he said.

Mihran’s next step was baptism together with his son and relatives. He stressed that was very happy to read an official statement on registration of the union. “Living in other religion for 50 years today I feel calm being an owner of my identity,” he stated.

 

Source: here

6.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Nov 2010 Sat 08:13 pm

Do not for a moment think that those miserable Moslem masks on their faces were what kept these Turkish citizens alive and that the State was unaware of their existence or real identities.

They have lived and prospered in a country where their rights were protected by the State, except when they embarked on armed rebellions against the Republic.

Their decision to strip off their masks now, is positive proof that they finally realised they are under no danger, so long as they are loyal and law abiding citizens.

They have a pretty bad record of treason, rebellion - you name it - in history themselves. I only hope they still have some actual faces under those masks that they decided to drop.

 

 



Edited (11/20/2010) by AlphaF
Edited (11/20/2010) by AlphaF

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Nov 2010 Sat 08:13 pm

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Edited (11/20/2010) by AlphaF [repetition]

8.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 21 Nov 2010 Sun 02:01 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

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Dear Alpha,

I hate when you censor yourself...it takes all the fun out of being an admin!!{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

9.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Nov 2010 Sun 02:28 am

I dont know why, my messages have the tendency to repeat themselves. The deleted message was an identical replica of the one that remained.

I very rarely lie on any subject.

10.       si++
3785 posts
 25 Jun 2011 Sat 09:55 am

Hidden Armenians in Turkey expose their identities

Gaffur Türkay, a prominent Diyarbakır Armenian who identifies himself as a Sunni Muslim, says that ‘the religion is not important but I want to learn my language.’


Gaffur Türkay, a prominent Diyarbakır Armenian who identifies himself as a Sunni Muslim, says that ‘the religion is not important but I want to learn my language.’

The stories of Armenians who had concealed their identities for decades have begun surfacing over recent years as Turkey continues treading its path toward democratization. Many of them live under their Sunni – Muslim or Kurdish – Alevi identities, although they still define themselves ethnically as Armenians.

“Race, identity and religion are distinct affairs. I’ve been raised as a Sunni-Muslim, and live as one, but I deny neither my past nor my culture. Religion is not important, but I want to know my language,” Gaffur Türkay, a prominent Diyarbakır Armenian who identifies as a Sunni Muslim, told the Hürriyet Daily News last week.

Türkay was 15 when he learned that his real surname is Ohanyan. His father was a pilgrim, and Türkay grew up with Sunni–Muslim culture. Muslim Armenians in the southeastern province of Diyarbakır recognize each other, he said.

“The perception of Islam [in Diyarbakır] is very important,” he said. “[The people in Diyarbakır] can tolerate you up to a certain point when you say you are Armenian. Things change, however, when you touch upon Islam.”

Türkay added that Christian Armenians look down upon Muslim Armenians.

“[They behave] as if we had a choice in the matter. The Armenian identity must bond around race, not religion. Religion can be chosen, but not race,” he said.

Yusuf Halaçoğlu, the former president of the Turkish Historical Society, or TTK, said the situation in Diyarbakır could be seen in other parts of the country. “There are hidden Armenians not just in Diyarbakır but all across Turkey, and now they are also revealing their identities,” he told the Daily News over the phone. Halaçoğlu was removed from his post at the TTK following public response to his remarks claiming that Kurds living in Turkey were actually Turcomans and that Kurdish – Alevis were of Armenian descent.

“My remarks were falsely conveyed to the public,” Kalaçoğlu said. “I shared this information with the deceased Hrant Dink as well. I tried to highlight under which identities those Armenians who supposedly died in 1915 still continue to exist,” he said, adding that he possessed records of Armenians who concealed their identities.

“This is information emanating from records [contained] in the United States archives. I have records [that indicate] the villages and locations they reside in, and the names of the clans they live under,” said Halaçoğlu.

 

Source: here

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