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10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 12 Nov 2010 Fri 09:40 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

The people who burned the poppy probably do not know the significance of the poppy.

 

And to answer your question again AlphaF, I do not know, it was rather clear the first time I said "How would I know?"

 

"Insurgent" means "one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one´s own political party or his own country".

The Brits (West in general) called Iraqies who fought to free Iraq from invaders, insurgents .....They were wrong, and should have looked the word up in a dictionary first.

Now they met real insurgents for the first time and wonder if these fiercely bearded guys know what British poppy symbol stands for.

{#emotions_dlg.head_bang}



Edited (11/12/2010) by AlphaF

11.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Nov 2010 Fri 09:45 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

"The poppy also denotes sleep, rest and repose, something that is well deserved by ANY fallen soldier."

Stumpy

 

Is that so? Why then do you think Western media insists on calling Iraqies who died fighting against invaders of their country "insurgents"?



Because, Alpha, just like in any other conflict in the world, one man´s freedom fighter is another man´s insurgent.  We could fight all day about Palestinians, Kurds, IRA, etc....

 

These people are choosing to show distain for the soldiers who represent a country they asked to be a part of.  As far as I know, the UK has not been on a recruiting campaign for citizens. 

 

If I choose to live in Turkey or to become a Turkish citizen, I wouldn´t stand in the streets of Istanbul and burn the image of Ataturk and expect everyone to understand my frustration. 

 

In my opinion, Western countries are quite tolerant of this kind of button pushing behavior.  I wonder how tolerant Eastern countries would be of the same?

 

 

 

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12.       stumpy
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 12 Nov 2010 Fri 09:57 pm

Quote:AlphaF

Now they met real insurgents for the first time and wonder if these fiercely bearded guys know what British poppy symbol stands for.

 

The poppy is not just a symbol for the British but for Canadians also and I am a little miffed that the symbol to remember my grandfather and his 2 brothers who fought against the Germans during WW2 and my great Uncle(my grandfather´s uncle) who fought also against the Germans during WW1 and who is one of the many unknown soldiers lost during WW1 should have the poppy burned.  The poppy represents all the Commonwealth soldiers that fought during the great wars. 

If those people wanted to protest against the British soldiers or what ever, why did they not burn the Union Jack?  By the way the Union Jack is the British flag...

 



Edited (11/12/2010) by stumpy

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13.       stumpy
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 12 Nov 2010 Fri 10:21 pm

Quote:AlphaF

"Insurgent" means "one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one´s own political party or his own country".
Why then do you think Western media insists on calling Iraqies who died fighting against invaders of their country "insurgents"?

 

FYI Alpha, I know what an insurgent is, you asked "Why then do you think Western media insists on calling Iraqies who died fighting against invaders of their country "insurgents"?

I answered How would I know... why the Western media insists on calling Iraquies who died fighting against invaders of their country "insurgents"?

 

14.       christine
443 posts
 12 Nov 2010 Fri 10:48 pm

 

 

Remembrance Day is observed on 11 November to recall the official end of World War I on that date in 1918, as the major hostilities of World War I were formally ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month" of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.

The red poppy has become a familiar emblem of Remembrance Day because these brilliant red flowers grow across some of the worse battlefields across Flanders and the colour of the flowers represent the blood spilt.

It is at this time, that people, not matter what their age,religion,sex or colour can remember anyone who has been killed in any war over the passing of time.

These islamic men who choose to burn this symbol, on this chosen day are a disgrace to good law abiding muslims.

 

If they do not like what happens in England they are free to catch the first plane to Afganistan , but they would  not do that because they would not get any benifits there and would not have the same freedom that they have here in  England.

 They should be thanking all our brave soldiers that gave their lives to give us all the freedom we have now, i do.

 

 

 

 

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15.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Nov 2010 Fri 10:54 pm

I´m wondering how many of the protesters boycotted social welfare benefits the state gives them. After all, the benefits all of them are getting come from the arms industry that booms during wartimes. It´s strange how they don´t mind the source their money comes from

*before somebody snaps at my throat for claiming all Muslims get social welfare benefits, let me remind you that, to my best knowledge, everyone who is a resident in the UK is entitled to child benefit and a number of tax credits

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16.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 12:35 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I thought poppy meant paying respect to the soldiers who died liberating Europe from Hitler and his (not so) merry gang of nazists {#emotions_dlg.unsure} Is this something the Muslim community in England would mind?

BTW, Mohammet is the 5th most popular name given in the UK in 2009. I suppose most Muslims have British citizenship so, logically, the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are THEIR soldiers as well {#emotions_dlg.holy}

It is now widely known that both Tony Blair and George Bush lied, to be able to lead their invaders to Iraq. There is little heroism or honor in such wars. I am not surprised that Moslem Brits do not wish to have anyting to do with such wars.

As for pre-war relations between Brits and merry gang of Hitler´s Nazis, have a look at the historical video clip below..It is in plain English.

http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/category.aspx?cid=2&vid=10956

Copy&paste the link, if it does not work

 

17.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 12:49 am

Are you saying Alpha that Brits and Americans had no part in freeing Europe from Hitler? It is obvious that before war began all countries had treaties and pacts, this is what foreign policy is about. Brits and Americans joined WWII 2 years after Poland was attacked, even though there were treaties promising instant help. Sure, each country does what´s best for it. It´s hard to imagine foreign politics based on sentiments. But what has been done, has been done. You may dislike what British soldiers do in the east, but I consider their sacrifice in WWI and WWII heroic.

What always makes me laugh how it´s Muslims vs Britain & US. As if it´s the religion that was attacked, not a country

BTW, you didn´t comment on my doubt of sincerity of the protest. It´s easy to burn flags, insult people who gave you shelter and destroy public property. It´s harder to give up the money you´re getting, isn´t it? {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} And these unimportant things like freedom of speech, education and religious freedom. See, you can spit on the memories of people who lost their life resisting nazist murderers while demanding a financial share of the money made on war and nobody kills you for it. Is this cool or what? lol At the same time evil westerners draw a picture of a guy who claimed to have spoken to god and taa daaam. He deserves to die. Now that´s justice

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18.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 01:11 am

Lets realign your sentence like below;

"The people whom call a hero of a nation "tyrant", probably do not know the significance of of that hero to his people."

 

Hypocrisy is such a hard craft to hide, but only not realized by its owner...Wink What would you say?

Quoting stumpy

The people who burned the poppy probably do not know the significance of the poppy.

 

 

 



Edited (11/13/2010) by armegon

19.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 01:43 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Are you saying Alpha that Brits and Americans had no part in freeing Europe from Hitler? It is obvious that before war began all countries had treaties and pacts, this is what foreign policy is about. Brits and Americans joined WWII 2 years after Poland was attacked, even though there were treaties promising instant help. Sure, each country does what´s best for it. It´s hard to imagine foreign politics based on sentiments. But what has been done, has been done. You may dislike what British soldiers do in the east, but I consider their sacrifice in WWI and WWII heroic.

What always makes me laugh how it´s Muslims vs Britain & US. As if it´s the religion that was attacked, not a country

BTW, you didn´t comment on my doubt of sincerity of the protest. It´s easy to burn flags, insult people who gave you shelter and destroy public property. It´s harder to give up the money you´re getting, isn´t it? {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} And these unimportant things like freedom of speech, education and religious freedom. See, you can spit on the memories of people who lost their life resisting nazist murderers while demanding a financial share of the money made on war and nobody kills you for it. Is this cool or what? lol At the same time evil westerners draw a picture of a guy who claimed to have spoken to god and taa daaam. He deserves to die. Now that´s justice

No, what I am saying is  - pre war alliance with Americans or not - Brits tried to be Nazi´s sidekick, before WWII, but were politely refused. (see the video). If Americans had not come to rescue, Germans would have had their way.

I think Turkish help to West, by keeping out of the war and closing Turkish borders to Germans, hence denying Germans the road to North Caspian oil had more effect on the result of that war, than the complete British heroism and efforts ...

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 02:04 am

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