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10.       Daydreamer
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 27 Nov 2010 Sat 03:15 pm

That´s exactly what I wrote - neither side can prove anything to the other. hence we have to rely on our common sense and estimate probability within the capabilities of our brain. Agnostics assume they cannot know the truth, atheists state the probability of there being a god is too little to consider it. If lack of evidence is enough to convince you - fine. It does not work for me.

And nowhere have I stated that believing is a good or bad thing. It´s a lifestyle choice. If you feel better thinking you´re going to heaven if you bend down to pray 5 times a day - do it. Just don´t make me believe the same. And don´t threat to kill people who think it´s not bending but rocking that takes you to heaven. Let all people choose their own paths. that´s all I want. I don´t need people to agree with me or support my beliefs or lack of them. Let´s all believe whatever we want and don´t force our views on others.

11.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 09:59 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 We have different approaches to religions and afterworld concept. Here read this: http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_48678 

I dont want to talk after a dead person so I will not make a comment about your grandfather.

 

I used my grandfather as an example because you said something about old people all wanting to be young again and live more. In my experience (with my grandfather, but also his father, and other older people that I have watched) this is not always the case. Yes, there are older people who are like this. But people who are happy with what they have accomplished don´t want to go back in time.

12.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 28 Nov 2010 Sun 03:02 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I used my grandfather as an example because you said something about old people all wanting to be young again and live more. In my experience (with my grandfather, but also his father, and other older people that I have watched) this is not always the case. Yes, there are older people who are like this. But people who are happy with what they have accomplished don´t want to go back in time.

 

 There are people like your grandfather who seem happy with their  achievements in the past. But what about majority? What can console people who think their lives are completely a failure or people who think if they had more time and energy they would do lots of things they always desired. Can death and being nothing console them? No on the contrary this will make them unhappy and depressed.Am I wrong?

13.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Nov 2010 Sun 02:13 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 There are people like your grandfather who seem happy with their  achievements in the past. But what about majority? What can console people who think their lives are completely a failure or people who think if they had more time and energy they would do lots of things they always desired. Can death and being nothing console them? No on the contrary this will make them unhappy and depressed.Am I wrong?

 

You are not wrong to say that some people feel like this. If this is the majority is a question. The majority in my family was content when they died. The only person who I can´t say that about was one aunt who died very suddenly at a young age, so she wasn´t aware of what was happening.

I hope I will follow the example of my family, and be content with my life once it has reached it´s end. I don´t want to believe in heaven, simply because I´m unhappy with my life.

 

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