Short anectode in Turkish (not simplified)

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Bush ve Obama  bir barda oturuyormuş.
. Yanlarına bir adam yaklaşmış.
“Beyler ne yapıyorsunuz?” diye sormuş.

Bush.:
   "Üçüncü Dünya Savaşını Planlıyoruz " demiş.»
   Adam : «  Gerçekten mi.? Peki savaş  için planınız nedir ? » diye sormuş.
   Bush  yine cevap vermiş.
"  Planımız bu savaşla birlikte 140 Milyon Müslümanı  ve Angelina Jolie’yi öldürmek. »
  Adam şaşırarak : « Angelina Jolie mi ? Neden Angelina Jolie’yi öldürmek istiyorsunuz?” deyince,
  Bush Obama’ya dönerek :  “Sana 140 Milyon Müslüman, kimsenin umurunda olmaz demedim mi?“ demiş.

Alpha,

You are such an insecure man. An exaggerated fear or phobia you have.

You should know that half of the "christendom" are and will be converting into eastern religions and the other half to islam with the help of globalists under aegide of UN. Ultimately Islam will become the dominating religion. Im afraid this option is unavoidable.

Alpha - please note there is a General/Off Topic section in the forum. The anegdote has nothing to do with news and/or announcements. I´ve heard this joke millions of times with Jews/bolsheviks taking places of Muslims I would be fairly calm about the threat of Muslims being wiped off the face of the earth. They´ll either do it themselves or will adapt the less barbaric approach to religion. For now they seem the ones who do not like the idea of other religions having the right to exist (look at what happend in Egypt, and I´m talking not only about the recent bombing, I´m talking about Christian girls being kidnapped, raped and forced to convert into the "religion of peace")

Lemon - I sure hope Europe will never turn Muslim but it will tend to be more and more atheistic (is that an adjective?). I´d hate to see our freedom taken away by people who kill because somebody laughs at their prophet or who sue schools for talking about pork in the context of agriculture. Also, I´d hate to see women´s rights being violated by barbarian ideas. I think the fad of Europeans converting is becoming thing of the past after thousands of sad stories on tv talking about poor girls who fell for a "macho" and got an abusive tyrant instead; or stories about women not realising that they had little or nothing to say when their "owners" had custody of their children, could do whatever they wanted but forbade their wives to do anything they, being raised European, were used to.

There is an issue with the demographics where Muslim immigrants to Europe usually have more children than the natives, but in a generation or two, they non fanatical group will become dominant as our culture is definitely more appealing, especially to youngsters.  Frokm what I´ve seen so far,  it´s the converts that are most fanatic.

DD,

Europeans arent converting from christianity to islam, they are converting from atheism to islam. Today the western post-christian Europe is suffering from the spiritual stagnation. Hundreds of chuches are closed down weekly thanks to the EU´s atheisation and multiculturalism policy. Atheism offers nothing except the spiritual starvation. The results as you see quite tragic: moral degradation, no family relations or responsibility (as many partners as you want) etc. Consequences are already there and will be more. Let Sweden be a precaution to all europeans.

I disagree Lemon. If you´re an atheist it means you don´t believe in God, and Islam is based on a contrary belief, just like Christianity. From what I´ve seen on different forums (I can base only on this as I don´t know any converts in person, even the girls I know who are married to Muslims chose only the moderate ones and were not forced to convert), I see that it´s usually girls with low self esteem, often from villages, who meet a Muslim and get attracted to both exotic origin and the need to cause controversy in their environment, who choose to convert. Such girls would convert to Pastafarianism or would become Buddhists if only they met a partner like that. The most ridiculous reason I´ve heard was "I don´t want to work and Muslim men have to provide for their families"

Also, I don´t agree that it´s atheism that´s causing moral decay. I´d say it´s too little respect for the law. Were penalties more severe, crime rates would be lower. Today´s problem is misunderstood tolerance. Tolerance doesn´t mean allowing everyone to do as they please, but to accept people may have their own ways within the  law of the country they´re in. Or do you find it morally superior that in sick countries like SA women are not allowed to drive or marry more than one man while men can enjoy prostitutes they marry for 5 minutes?

Ethics has nothing to do with religion. You don´t need to believe in god to live a responsible life. After all, people have been establishing laws and rules of co-existence long before Jews invented the idea of one god, long before the idea caught on to give rise to Christianity and way longer before an Arabian sheperd came up with the idea to profit from adjusting the Jewish religion to his own needs

I fail to see the link between multi cultural societies and the closing of churches. This is simply not the main reason. First of all, people becoming atheist is the foremost reason for "natives" not being Christian. The number of conversions to Islam is neglectable. Second of all, who says "multi cultural" equals Islam? How about all the "foreigners" who are Christians?

By the way, I think saying atheism is related to lack of family ties and degredation of morality is a total missunderstanding of what atheism really is. Atheism and a feeling of family and a feeling of morality is not related. It is short sighted and insulting to atheists to think that you can judge their ethical insights by their believe in a higher being. Loving your family, showing respect to your parents, standing up for old people in the bus, living an honest live, all these things are NOT related to a believe in god. Atheists can make good choices in their lives based on upbringing and personal feelings, instead of an outside source like the bible. Just like religious people can make bad decisions based on that same bible. The choices that make atheists lead a good life are not less than those of a religious person, just because they base it on something else.

"Loving your family, showing respect to your parents, standing up for old people in the bus, living an honest live, all these things are NOT related to a believe in god."

Enjoyment of good music is not related to believing in god either, but it certainly indicates a subtler being.

yeah we know Hitler loved Wagner...

This reminds me the following scene from the movie Apocalypse Now by Francis Ford Coppola:the helicopter attack accompaniment with Walkürenritt or Ritt der Walküren.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx7XNb3Q9Ek

I strongly disagree with all of you. At the same time I understand what you are saying. If not a change in my life I would be speaking the same things now as you are, because I was bombarded by the same mass media sources.

My priorities were freedom, democracy, equality, human rights, honesty, peace etc. Its been not long ago I´ve come to understanding that everything fails and will fail. I also see that globalist propagandists from UN and EU (paid by elitists) have done a huge work through mass media to prepare the mass for the one world government.

The soil is ready. See the results: you all speak in accord. They make you believe that you are free, but you dont see you arent. You are system slaves. Welcome to the New Age!

They have used and played terror acts in order to tighten the control system by amending the laws. Now everywhere there will be cameras, your bank accounts and incomes are transparent. You are watched like in Big Brother. And they will tell you that its all for your security.

Many people say that humans are developing, but they arent, they are actually downgrading.

There have been many lies in mass media people took in.

9/11, moonlanding, evolution, heliocentricity, etc.

After all this its easy to manipulate people, because people by nature are naive and tend to trust the government. Why? Why not? Because the holy cow UN, EU and USA say so, "the inventors of freedom and democracy" with the help of other holy cow giant mass media corporates (again controlled by the elite) like BBC, CNN, ABC, National Pornography, Beast Planet.

The more you learn the more it makes you sad.