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10.       vineyards
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 02 Mar 2011 Wed 01:36 pm

Silly me, I accidentally deleted Daydreamer´s message. I hope she has a copy somewhere or she can reconstruct it somehow. I was trying to delete another message. My apologies.

11.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Mar 2011 Thu 12:55 am

As an atheist myself, I don´t think I have found the right answers, my atheism is just a proof of how ignorant and helpless I am. I am not in a position to assert, it is rather like a complete surrender. I just can´t do anything beyond groping in the dark.

Religion and society are so intertwined terminating one results in the termination of the other. Religion is like a vitally important limb. When you cut it off, you render society crippled. It doesn´t cure anything, nor does it answer any question but it does act like placebo and its absence could result in dire consequences.

Christians have the most dominant power in the world today. Considering the amount of money flowing into the sytem and the reach of the network, we could conclude it is both omnipresent and omnipotent.  The Pope is still sitting in Vatican controlling a majestic power. Every major conflict in todays world is almost invariably between the Christian West and some Islamic country.

Muslim countries on the other hand, open up their doors to Europeans. Their resources are collectively used. Christian West acts like a more equal partner, when a doubt arises about the safety of the resources exploited, military option is always on the table (for example, the 6th Fleet is waiting off shore Libya at present.)

In other words, the entire world has been taken hostage by this seemingly secular regime. The fear you mentioned has turned the world into a proving field. I know this Christianity is not quite in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ himself (who happens to be a nice peaceful chap) and it has not much to do with secularism either.

 Quoted from Daydreamer´s post:

It´s easy to complain about terrible Europeans hating Islam. But it isn´;t so. Europe should stand against everything that may kill its secularism, human rights and equality regardless of whether it´s Islam, Catholicism or Marxism. In other words, everybody should be free to pray to whomever they want either in the privacy of their own house or in a place of religious cult like mosque, church or synagogue, but nowhere else. And religious rules should always be inferior to national laws.





Edited (3/3/2011) by vineyards [full of blunder.]

12.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Mar 2011 Thu 02:53 am

 

 Quoted from Daydreamer´s post:

It´s easy to complain about terrible Europeans hating Islam. But it isn´;t so. Europe should stand against everything that may kill its secularism, human rights and equality regardless of whether it´s Islam, Catholicism or Marxism. In other words, everybody should be free to pray to whomever they want either in the privacy of their own house or in a place of religious cult like mosque, church or synagogue, but nowhere else. And religious rules should always be inferior to national laws.



As a believer I agree. Fanatism is not only taking aim at atheists but also at believers. There are many sects of each religion which declare others as infidels. And they all interpret holly books so differently. Only solution seems like secularism. Give any beautiful belief or humanist philosophy to the crowd, they will change it in no time something monsterous. I blamed religions for the blood shed for their sakes in the world, long time ago but now I understand it is human nature to blame. There is a very thin line seperates most of the people from the level of an animal. It is not important if they are atheist or believer, blood always attracts them.

 



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13.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Mar 2011 Thu 11:26 am

Here´s something related from: here

 

Anti-immigrant tract is German best-seller

Thilo Sarrazin. AP photo


Thilo Sarrazin. AP photo

An anti-immigrant polemic written by a former central banker is among the Christmas best-sellers in Germany and its author has become a millionaire, according to media reports.

About 1.25 million copies of Thilo Sarrazin´s "Germany Does Itself In" have been sold since its release in August, and sales show no sign of slowing, publisher DVA said. "At the moment we are selling around 10,000 copies per day," said DVA spokesman Markus Desaga in Focus weekly on Saturday.

In the book, Sarrazin says Germany was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim immigrants and their numerous offspring, and accused the approximately four million Muslims of failing to integrate. "If I want to hear the muezzin´s call to prayer, then I´ll go to the Orient," he says in the book, saying that allowing in millions of "guest workers" in the 1960s and 1970s was a "gigantic error."

The book led to Sarrazin´s resignation from the Bundesbank, where he was a member of the executive board, and triggered a fierce debate on Islam and immigration in the country, with Chancellor Angela Merkel admitting that multi-culturalism had failed.

Sarrazin said he has become a millionaire thanks to the sales of the book, but would not reveal exactly how much he had earned. "I negotiated a little over 12 percent" of the sales rights, he said in an interview earlier this week.

 

 

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