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50.       newquaker
28 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 06:35 pm

 

Quoting armegon

This is just a herasay, no clear proof of this claim. On the other hand the ancestor´s of his mother dates vack to yörük´s of Karaman which she clearly emphasized that she was proud of. Her ancestors were first migrated to town of Vodina together with many Türkmens, later 130 years before her birth, family moved to Thessalonica. 

 

 

 

This is really not the point. Who cares what ethnicity he was, as long as he felt Turkish. Everyone (especially in that region) is mixed that people only cared about your religion and the language you were speaking. To me, Mehmet Akif was more Turk than most people although he was technically Albanian. The same way, my grandparents were technically Macedonian, but who cares? I was born in Turkey and grew with Turkish culture and that´s what matters.



Edited (4/8/2011) by newquaker

51.       newquaker
28 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 06:58 pm

 

Quoting MrsBee

Thank you, but you didn´t have to rephrase the sentence. I understand what you were trying to say. I just jokingly pointed out the inconsistency in your posts. {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

About changing the title: it´s not about pleasing other people. It is about right and wrong. The title is cleary racist and sexist. I am pretty surprised that you are not able to see it and that it hasn´t been moderated yet.

Why are you insulting people? Starting off with criticizing a whole nation (state) because you (and other foreign people around you) have had bad personal experiences is definitely not being courteous.

You do sound unpleasant, crude and rude.

Your words don´t make any sense.

What is your problem? What kind of suggestions are you asking for? Why do you try to solve this problem by talking to foreigners on Internet instead of talking to locals in your physical life?

You know what? Don´t feel like you have to answer. Feel free to call me names, too. I don´t even care.

 

What is Inconsistent in my posts? If you follow them from the very begining , they are perfectly consistent and make perfect sense, and of course, because I´ve been posting frequently and in a lengthy fashion, sometimes, I might forget to include some minute details or make typos. Otherwise they don´t become inconsistent just because you guys disagree and find it unpleasent.

 

I said again and again, that the generalization does not necessarily apply to everyone, there are always exceptions, but it is a good summary of the average. I also indicated that it does not necessarily apply to the whole country but at least the New England Area.

 

What do you mean, "call you names?" I haven´t called anyone names or targeted anyone personally here except that Burak guy, who was being utterly personally insulting and racist. On the contrary, you guys were targeting me personally. Maybe you missed the point but post #45 is intended for him only, not you guys.

 

And I wonder who doesn´t make sense but react abruptly with such "counter-offensive" attitude? My comments might for sure sound unpleasent, since it is a "criticism", why is that an insult? Now that sentence,

"New England culture is extremely cold to foreigners, and people are really acting fake in most relations to foreigners and dont want to be involved with them."

 

It´s for sure a strong criticism, and the gist of what I´ve been saying, but how on earth is it an insult? The fakeness of the human relations is even admitted by Many of my American friends!

 

If you´d like to help me for example, explain to me why it might seem or sound "fake" or "cold" to us, although it actually isn´t (allegedly). Instead of just blaming me and thousands of others for being rude or crude just because I am criticizing the culture, just tell me YOUR perspective, why things are the way they are, try to create an empathy, and maybe I will end up thinking, "Oh, maybe I was being unfair, maybe I would behave the way they behave in their shoes..."

 

This is how a civil conversation sounds. You guys need to be able to suck it up and overbear the criticisms you incur just like I was able to keep an open-mind and tolerate all the racisms in Europe or the clear discriminations I get exposed here. I still think people are inherently decent, there is just something that screws up their attitudes towards foreigners, and I am trying to understand it.

 



Edited (4/8/2011) by newquaker

52.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 07:24 pm

I agree this was not the point, I just corrected you since you used the claim that Atatürk was ethnically Albanian to prove your case. 

Quoting newquaker

 

 

This is really not the point. Who cares what ethnicity he was, as long as he felt Turkish. Everyone (especially in that region) is mixed that people only cared about your religion and the language you were speaking. To me, Mehmet Akif was more Turk than most people although he was technically Albanian. The same way, my grandparents were technically Macedonian, but who cares? I was born in Turkey and grew with Turkish culture and that´s what matters.

 

 

53.       newquaker
28 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 08:03 pm

I was just trying to show that not everyone in Anatolia was there for a millenium. Just like Americans, Turks were in a non-stop influx of immigration (though with local and surrounding populations). And Anatolia is not necessarily the ancestral home to all Turks of Turkey. In my family´s case, our homeland was the Balkans, not Anatolia although it is to me now. And if you ask me, 3 generations is more than enough to be considered local, so a few centuries or a millenium doesn´t make much difference. I was just sarcastically referring that, by his logic, most of my relatives need to be considered foreign, and even Ataturk and Mehmet Akif were allegedly foreign then, being actually natives of the Balkans.

54.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 08:12 pm

 

Quoting newquaker

 

 

Are you illiterate or pretend to be one? Or just a smartass? Being ethnically "Macedonian" (not Bulgarian, you wiseacre!) is nothing to blame and you are practically insulting millions of Balkan Turks. I have never said I wasn´t a Turk. ATATURK was ethnically Albanian, so was MEHMET AKIF, who is from the same area as my ancestors! But hey, you wouldn´t even know that there are thousands of Albanians living in Macedonia! Now are you telling me that Ataturk and Mehmet Akif are not Turks!? You are being utterly racist, and thanks for showing your true colors. You are probably just a 10 year old kid anyway! 

 

Don´t come up with such ridiculous, ignorant, and worthless pieces of words, you´re wasting my precious time. And that war is in your head! I have no war to fight for. Next time I won´t be so courteous.

 

im wasting your time? youre the one making such a useless thread. i didnt say i didnt count balkanians as turks, i just pointed out that you rejected being a typical turk by showing your ethnic background. i made tons of posts about how all those people have been turkish.

 

and if you really want to insult me pm me your phone number. we can take care of this outside of the website. but if you dont then stop using this language. i am talking civil and epect you to be so  and plus you have insulted ALL american women. if i had any american relatives i wouldnt even bother with such a worthless thread.



Edited (4/8/2011) by Burak7777777

55.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 08:15 pm

Newquaker you used the word "ethnically" without a proof which is what I oppessed to, that is all...

56.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 08:25 pm

This thread has been locked because of the hostility it has created among classmates. 

 

Regards,

Elisabeth 

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