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Facts about Libya
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1.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Sep 2011 Fri 12:40 pm

The following are some facts about the Libya before Western powers started bombing.

 

1)      Libya citizens get credit with zero interest rate, 

2)      The students get paid an average income based on their study, 

3)      Jobless people get paid fully until they find a job,

4)      Married couples get houses for free,

5)      Those who study abroad get paid €2500/month for spending as well as some more for car and accomodation,

6)      Cars are sold with zero profit,

7)      Libya has no credit or interest debt to any other country, 

8)      Education and health services are provided for free, 

9)      25% percent of the population are graduated from a university,

10 )  There are no homeless people or beggars in the streets (until last bombings),

11)  Bread price is 0.15 $/kg for years, There is no starving people around!

 

Now Sarkozy will bring more and Libya will be a better place for sure! We are curious to see it.



Edited (9/16/2011) by si++

2.       bydand
749 posts
 16 Sep 2011 Fri 10:02 pm

Very impressive. Makes you wonder why so many people in Libya wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.

3.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 18 Sep 2011 Sun 11:40 pm

 

Quoting si++

The following are some facts about the Libya before Western powers started bombing.

 

1)      Libya citizens get credit with zero interest rate, 

2)      The students get paid an average income based on their study, 

3)      Jobless people get paid fully until they find a job,

4)      Married couples get houses for free,

5)      Those who study abroad get paid €2500/month for spending as well as some more for car and accomodation,

6)      Cars are sold with zero profit,

7)      Libya has no credit or interest debt to any other country, 

8)      Education and health services are provided for free, 

9)      25% percent of the population are graduated from a university, 

10 )  There are no homeless people or beggars in the streets (until last bombings),

11)  Bread price is 0.15 $/kg for years, There is no starving people around!

 

Now Sarkozy will bring more and Libya will be a better place for sure! We are curious to see it.

 

I´d rather be poor and free than have free dental care and live under a dictator. The "free" healthcare in Lybia was so bad, that anybody with a bit of money went to Egypt or Tunesia to get treatment. Also, putting the label "university" on something doesn´t make it of the international "university" level. I even see this difference between Holland and Turkey. Some of the things that are called "university studies" in Turkey are called "HBO" in Holland, which is one level lower than university. There was no starvation in Lybia? It was even used as a torture method by Khadaffi! Libya WAS a great country to live in... if you were related to Khadaffi...

 

Your source is disputable. Some guy who sent an email (yes, I googled where you got it from). To pretend that Lybia was some sort of heaven is an insult to all the people who suffered under Khadaffi, and double insulting to all the people who died by his hands during the last decades.

4.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Sep 2011 Mon 06:58 am

It´s easy to say Barba, when you don´t need dental care.  If you do need it, your wants may change. There is nothing like a good toothache, in fact they can kill, and to be sure, bad teeth do not make pretty. The pain is all but unbearable. Have you seen anyone with a bad abscess? Have you seen a swollen face from a bad tooth? 

I don´t glorify Gadaffi, he did some horrible things, and he stayed in power too long, but I do think the people in Lybia are in for a shock when they taste the fruits of Capitalism.

Those who have, get to have more, those that don´t have, have less...I doubt if there would be much altruistic compassion towards the citizens of Lybia, were there not abundant petrol sources there. 

I won´t dignify your demeaning trivialization of none European educational systems. 

I will admit Holland has some enviable social institutions. 

Quoting barba_mama

I´d rather be poor and free than have free dental care and live under a dictator. The "free" healthcare in Lybia was so bad, that anybody with a bit of money went to Egypt or Tunesia to get treatment. Also, putting the label "university" on something doesn´t make it of the international "university" level. I even see this difference between Holland and Turkey. Some of the things that are called "university studies" in Turkey are called "HBO" in Holland, which is one level lower than university. There was no starvation in Lybia? It was even used as a torture method by Khadaffi! Libya WAS a great country to live in... if you were related to Khadaffi...

 

Your source is disputable. Some guy who sent an email (yes, I googled where you got it from). To pretend that Lybia was some sort of heaven is an insult to all the people who suffered under Khadaffi, and double insulting to all the people who died by his hands during the last decades.

 

 

5.       si++
3785 posts
 19 Sep 2011 Mon 12:53 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I´d rather be poor and free than have free dental care and live under a dictator. Yes sure! The "free" healthcare in Lybia was so bad, that anybody with a bit of money went to Egypt or Tunesia to get treatment. Also, putting the label "university" on something doesn´t make it of the international "university" level. I even see this difference between Holland and Turkey. Some of the things that are called "university studies" in Turkey are called "HBO" in Holland, which is one level lower than university. There was no starvation in Lybia? It was even used as a torture method by Khadaffi! Libya WAS a great country to live in... if you were related to Khadaffi...

 

Your source is disputable. You say so because you can not find it in western media. Anyway those are unpleasant things for those who try to find ways to interfere in Libya. Some guy who sent an email (yes, I googled where you got it from It was posted (in Turkish) to a private yahoo group where I got it from.). To pretend that Lybia was some sort of heaven is an insult to all the people who suffered under Khadaffi, and double insulting to all the people who died by his hands during the last decades I hope they can be better now. let´s "wait and see".

 

 

6.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 20 Sep 2011 Tue 11:32 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

 

 

Than that post was translated from english to Turkish. Don´t post something online, if you don´t even know where it comes from. The source is somebody who said he received this information from somebody "who knows Lybia very well" who emailled it to him.

 

You can push buttons, and you can have your own opinions. But to back up a dictator who ran a horrible regime is even beyong what is okay for you. Dental care sounds nice, but there were no dentist in the poorer areas of Lybia to give dental care. And even if there were, there was no equipment. Get your facts straight. The lines you have quoted are Ghadaffi´s ideas from his "green book", but the reality of Lybia was different. I have spoken with enough refugees to know so! You claims, and your lack of fact checking insults their suffering.

 

And all of this is not even taking into account the terrorists that were backed up by Ghadaffi. Scream and shout about America and their guns, but Ghadaffi who openly financed a plane bombing in the U.K. is an example of a "great government"?

7.       si++
3785 posts
 21 Sep 2011 Wed 09:54 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Than that post was translated from english to Turkish. How do you know? Maybe it´s the other way.Don´t post something online, if you don´t even know where it comes from. Don´t tell me what to do! The source is somebody who said he received this information from somebody "who knows Lybia very well" who emailled it to him. So what? They may still be true. What makes you so sure they are not?

 

You can push buttons, and you can have your own opinions. But to back up a dictator who ran a horrible regime is even beyong what is okay for you. Can you show me the bits where I backed up a dictator? I only presented (passed) some "facts". Dental care sounds nice, but there were no dentist in the poorer areas of Lybia to give dental care. And even if there were, there was no equipment. Get your facts straight. The lines you have quoted are Ghadaffi´s ideas from his "green book", but the reality of Lybia was different. Then present your facts backed up by your trusted sources. I have spoken with enough refugees to know so! Hah? you only have spoken to some refugees and that´s enough to draw the whole picture?? You claims, and your lack of fact checking insults their suffering.

 

And all of this is not even taking into account the terrorists that were backed up by Ghadaffi. Scream and shout about America and their guns, but Ghadaffi who openly financed a plane bombing in the U.K. is an example of a "great government"?Again, I have never backed up Gaddafi anywhere. But I will not reject those facts blindfoldedly like yourselves. There may be some truth to them. That´s why I have posted them. Gaddafi may be anything but he was the head of an independent state. Nobody could tell him what to do. Libya was in no way a slave of the capitalist system (they have no debts to any bank or country). Libya was out of control of western powers. That was the reason to oust him. (puff I think you will see these lines as backing up a dictator, right? I think I am neutral person though.)

 

 

8.       Abla
3642 posts
 25 Sep 2011 Sun 11:29 am

I agree with you both. A beggar in the street corner would take anyone as his dictator if he this way got bread to his children. I know it´s easy to have principles if you live in a welfare state. But truth and justice have their prize, too. I wonder how Libyan people tolerated this green book rubbish so long.

9.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Sep 2011 Sun 01:49 pm

SI--

thanks for the information. was interesting to read different from the western mainstream media full of lies created for naive brainwashed westerners.

10.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Sep 2011 Sun 01:51 pm

I somehow always liked Gadaffi in the past. He is someone with a great charisma. He had his bodyguards consisted of females mainly. And when he travelled the west he used to bring his beduin tent with himself.

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